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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Adam182, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. Protspecd

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    If you were that open, you would have questionned yourself and understood that exploited is a shitty band. With all the arguments given against them, it is an obvious fact. But oh well i gave up with you, you will never understand..

    If I remember right, I did say I got enough evidence in the end.


    Thats still the first thing you did after registering here. We are an anarchist forum and our "who are we" text is clearly against ambiguous bands like Exploited. Don't be surprised of the reactions you got. If you'd have registered on Pirate-Punk.net or QuebecUnderground.net it would have been even worse. Real anarchists does not tolerate shitty bands like Exploited.

    First thing I did, after almost a month after registering. Reactions, more like reaction, I was only surprised about your reaction.


    "Way enough evidence was given, you are just too stupid to understand it. Not surprising comming from a kid who quote Henry Rollins (one of the biggest sellout of the punk scene) to say that music should be heard instead of paid for it.

    There are way enough proofs to say that exploited is a shitty band. but you dont believe anything, you keep saying you need video recordings and more proof, you think everything is was made up to lie."

    Already explained my reasons for quoting Henry Rollins, I like the quote even if it did come from a sell out such as him. I wanted more beause some of the evidence you gave was just a wall of text rather than audio or video footage of things that were actually said or done. Internet pages can say anything without it being true.


    "No, you are being an idiot again. Bands like exploited are against the text, so fanboys like you who come defend them is inappropriate. Why not question the proof of the holocaust while we're at it ? We oppose to some things because it has been proven many many times that it is bullshit and has nothing to do with anarchism, so peoples like you who refuse to listen to anything and keep asking for more proof when hundreds of evidences were already given can FUCK OFF."

    Well, I felt there was less proof on exploited than holocaust? I will debate stuff where I don't feel there is sound evidence.


    "Anarchism is also about reading the fucking arguments others says and trying to understand them, and when a lot of things has been proven then QUESTION YOURSELF."

    Which I did, I always question myself, that is how I got here. I did read the arguments, and I wished to understand them more by asking for more evidence or questioning stuff that didn't seem right.


    "You act like a preteen kid who just became a punk and who is a fanboy of the icons of punk rock, dont be surprised if i call you a kid. Start by acting mature if you want to be treated as it."

    I was acting like solmeone who just needed more evidence? You seemed to be the one throwing countless insults my way and I am the one who needs to act mature?

    "Now i'm really sick of your bullshit, you are an annoying pain in the ass, you are not even worth my time and i already lost too much time argueing with you. Anyway you will never listen to anything, go back listening to The Exploited while calling yourself an anarchist. Hopefully the whole anarcho-punk scene understand why exploited is shitty except you, hopefully you are not representative of the movement. In france or here you would have absolutly zero credibility if you support shitty nazi supporter bands like Exploited. Because the whole scene understand whats wrong with them and why they fuck, and we dont have to explain them during 6 months.
    The discussion on Exploited was months ago, now shut the fuck up and stop bringing it back alive, especially if you still dont want to listen."

    Never listen to anything? You honestly haven't been reading the progression in my posts, which I guess is fair enough seeing as we got off to a bad start but still, I wouldn't make such statements like that as you leave yourself open to look like an idiot. Calling myself an anarchist, read my Introduce Yourself thread. I do understand why they are shitty now, I think I said that in the last of my debate in the exploited thread. I brought it back up jsut because I saw a fault in what you were sayhing, which you kinda corrected in your next posts =P

    "I just didnt see it when you supposedly brought it to me, stop being paranoid. If you care that much about it, there is a thread about the moderation system where you could have posted your problem."

    I did in the open moderation thread, after you explained the requirements for the forum. The only response I got was from Anxiety.

    "Holy shit. Nice myspace, Protspect. I understand now why you don't care about shitty bands like The Exploited.

    EEeeeewwww.....

    I wonder why you registered on this forum, you don't even listen to anarcho punk music..... I hope you don't call yourself an anarchist."

    Ahh found my old myspace ey? I wrote that before I really started getting into the punk ideals and subculture, I only started getting into the idea of anarchism at the beginning of this year. Some of those band names do take me back to highschool nostalgia... Most of my friends introduced me into those bands, took me a while to get into punk just because I didn't know much about it. Growing up, I knew no punks what so ever to get into the culture. I basically slowly found it by finding the odd few punk songs. We all have to start somewhere right?

    "I wonder why you registered on this forum, you don't even listen to anarcho punk music..... I hope you don't call yourself an anarchist"

    Already answered in my Introduce Yourself thread, I suggest you look at it again. My music taste has changed rapidly in the past few years just because I was so ignorant about the culture. Btw, it is Protspect not protspecd, even my username here states that.
     
  2. Probe

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    I'm sorry but I fail t see the difference...
     
  3. Protspecd

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    Hahah, that was a typo. Thanks for pointing that out though, fail on my part =(
     
  4. Probe

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    oh lol ok...I thought you were implying that your name should have a capital letter in the front... :)
     
  5. butcher

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    Come on Ungov! I know anarchists with terrible taste in music, I hardly see what taste (or lack thereof) has to do with politics. Although its true that these bands you have mentioned are hardly 'punk' or 'anarcho-punk'.
     
  6. Protspecd

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    Indeed, those were... dark times lols

    Like I said, that page hasn't been updated for quite sometime, thankfully I have found music that is perfect for me. I do still enjoy some of those bands listed though, some for nostalgia and some because I do in fact find their music stunning.

    Radiohead and Porcupine Tree being an example, most of you guys would kick me for it but I could care less. They put their souls into their music and it isn't for the money. I do find their music just another example of lovely art. A few other bands on that list kinda make me laugh just because I can't believe I was listening to stuff like that. Sorry I have completely derailed this thread, even though it has been fairly derailed before I got into it...
     
  7. butcher

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    Yes, it's been quite off topic for some time now.
    Back to Star Fox 64!!!
     
  8. Protspecd

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    Bahahah

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  9. butcher

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    thread back on track
     
  10. ungovernable

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    Learn to use fucking quotes... your post is unreadable

    I dont remember that, but if you finally got enough evidence, why the fuck are you still talking about exploited ?

    Yeah thats what i thought... you dont care about contradictions, you just take some quote and use it even if it is totally contradictory with what the person has done... Just like you like exploited even if they are stupid

    Yeah thats what i was saying, you are paranoid and you cant believe anything unless you have video or audio on your face, thats so fucking stupid... If i tell you i saw nazis at last exploited show when they came here you will not believe me unless i filmed it... hahahahah...... And actually, there was already pictures of exploited with nazis and we pointed out live recordings where they are being racist, we pointed out albums with anti-semitist and racist quotes on the back of the album, we pointed our interviews where wattie admit to have a nazi flag in his house, we pointed an huge spanish article about exploited..... but oh right, you need video and audio. hahahaha :lmao:

    All the proofs were obvious, you just didnt want to listen.

    Mature people would have understood whats wrong with exploited at the first time.

    Not surprising.

    Probably just another phase of your teenage rebellion crisis, in another year it will be over and you will be back listening to the exploited and my chemical romance

    Obviously you are still ignorant about the culture..

    Your username is Protspecd.


    I can't understand how someone would call himself an anarchist and listen to shitty sellout bands. But exploited is even worse, it makes a very bad image of anarchism (chaos and disorder) and they are ambiguous because they hang out with nazis and they happenned to say anti-semitist and racist insults..

    Plus this website is an anarcho-punk website, so when you call yourself an anarcho-punk you claim yourself part of a movement that reject the capitalist sellout punk bands and also the shitty bands like Exploited. On an anarchist website that has nothing to do with the punk scene, this kind of ignorance wouldnt be surprising, but here we are on an anarcho-punk website that clearly reject shitty collaborationist bands like Exploited..
     
  11. butcher

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    Fair play.
    Maybe my point would be more clearly stated if i said that the taste in music of anarchists i've met has not undermined their abilities to be trusted comrades, have good politics or be good organisers. Of course music is political, but I tend to judge an anarchist more on their politics than their knowledge of, say, Oi Polloi; though I'd change that if they wore, say, screwdriver or good charlotte t-shirts or something. ;)

    And, yeah, moreover if one is on an explicitly anarcho-punk website then one would be expected to be critical of those 'punk' bands that use an anti-authoritarian and 'rebellious' 'subcultural' aesthetic to get rich or promote race/gender/class/sexuality based hatred.
     
  12. statuliber

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    this discussion is totally beside the point... it doesn't has any goal beside attacking another person and defeding one own dogmatic views.
    could we try to end it or is there something you want to reach?
     
  13. butcher

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    This discussion has been completely beside the point for about 10 pages or some shit now, so what? ;)

    BTW, who is the 'you' you refer to?
    I don't really see what we could reach apart from the conclusions we have already reached:
    a.) Blink 182 suck.
    b.) Star Fox rules.
     
  14. statuliber

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    I didn't say a name, because a few pages before I said a name and was attacked for it.

    I won't post here anymore, if we want to discuss the topics discussed here we can do so in threads made for it, and I hope other people will do so likewise.
     
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    wahhhhh... thread got off topic and now you are being a baby about it. threads get off topic, and you know what, the world still turns. Get over it.
     
  16. Protspecd

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    I got lazy, but obviously it is readable lol.

    It wasn't about the exploited, it was about the manner you responded to me.

    I started to believe it when the phots came in but there was talk about the reasoning behidn those photos, I decided to explain the other side of the argument, after all anarchism is all about understand both sides of the argument. Don't remember the interviews where wattie admitted to having a nazi flag, must look over the thread again.

    Not all the proof.


    Indeed I am, I would never claim that I am fully knowledgeble on any subject, there is always more to learn.

    lmfao! Another typo, well to be fair I have had a hectic week and I was exhausted when I was writing these posts...

    Edit:

    Just read over the thread, seems like you started insulting me after my first post it seems. This is what I mean, I questioned the evidence in my first post to the discussion and I was immedietely insulted. All I did was question the evidence that was mostly just people posting on a forum. I came up with exampels of reasons behind the first picture posted just to put the second argument out there. Your 'little patience' seems to be only be long enough one post? That is little indeed.
     
  17. ungovernable

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    Yep but i doubt those peoples call themselves punks. Most of the peoples on this forum are punks before being anarchists...
    Anarchism might not be mainly about music, but anarcho-punk is. Anarcho-punk movement is clearly against sellout bands like Blink182 AND also against ambiguous bands like The Exploited. It always that way and will always be.

    To me listening and encouraging to big sellout bands that are against anarchist principles is as worse as buying from big multinationals. Same thing...

    Then don't participate to it and shut up.

    Saying pop-punk sellout bands has nothing to do with the anarcho-punk scene is not dogmatic, it is just the reality and common sense. Or maybe do you think anarcho-punk movement is dogmatic since Crass started it in 1977 and rejected the sellout bands like Sex Pistols and The Clash ?

    This thread is off-topic since page 1 but you never complainted against it...




    You started the exploited debate once again by saying we didnt have evidence, stop denying it. And you are still debating over the proofs.

    Yes, all of them. And its not like if there was only 1 or 2 arguments, proofs are all over the internet, there are MANY MANY reasons why exploited is a band that should be boycotted by anarcho-punks. But since you dont even understand why all the sellout bands on your myspace page sucks, i understand why you dont see whats wrong with exploited.


    Oh my god, shut the fuck up, i'm sick of your bullshit about a 6 months old story. You just made 2 pages of debate just to cry because i insulted you 6 months ago and because i just said i always get insulted first. You argue over 2 fucking words when the main argument was that I WAS INSULTED FIRST ON THIS TOPIC. So shut the fuck up.

    Dude, we debated pages and pages about exploited, i did it during 25 pages on other forums, i'm sick of this fucking debate and yes my patience is very little especially when i see ignorant morons like you who start the shitty debate again and thats the first thing you do after registering here.
    Yes, i just insulted you, go cry a fucking river.
     
  18. Protspecd

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    I was just explaining why I started it in the first plac but I did say in the end I got enough evidence. Only debating it now because it has sprung up again due to my reference to your reactions in a previous thread.

    I.. did say I saw what was wrong with them? I was only contesting most not all of the evidence in that thread. I have already explained that page listed bands I used to listen to before I really got into this culture, I don't know why you are bringing that up as if that is what I mostly listen to now. We all started somewhere, rather than critise me for the bands I used to listen why not focus on the fact that I am showing great interest towards this ideal?

    You were arguing that you always get insulted first, that is what I was challenging. Not cry, just to point out a flaw in what you were saying, then it kinda esculated from there lol

    Well to be fair, you actually started the debate. The original topic was how the exploitedposted something on their website declaring they aren't nazi's, you posted that they were, I questioned your argument. That was the first time I have ever debated about the exploited so I wasn't really sick of it, most of the information you presented and I found was quite new to me, I actually enjoyed debating it. It was just with your response in this thread hit the wrong note for me.

    Don't get me wrong, I have a feeling you still think I don't believe you side of the exploited argument. Trust me, I know I lost in the end but the first set of evidence you placed in the thread just didn't push me over the edge. I didn't feel they were credible enough (that is the academic essay teaching lodged in my brain but forum posts and a page full of text with no backing up of audio of the songs they wrote about). I will admit I kept the original debate going after a little while because I am too stubborn to suck up my pride and deal with loss (sometimes I get that way with debates, I start to get every single argument against there in a hope for an awesome comeback bahah). But I will agree to never bring this up again, unless I am being asked about it.
     
  19. ungovernable

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    by "always" i meant "most of the time", already explained it

    The debate was dead before you came here and ressurected it.

    I maintain my argument : i debated this topic countless of time on other forums and here, enough to make my patience very little.

    Everyone understood except you. Proof that the evidence were obvious enough.

    Good. How about starting right now ?
     
  20. Protspecd

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    Very provoking but I will keep to my word =P
     
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