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LA protest & vigil to stop the wars.

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by JesusCrust, Dec 7, 2010.

  1. JesusCrust

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    I wasn't sure if I should put this in the other thread about the Nov. 29th protests, but decided to start a new topic seeing as it is a different protest.

    From: http://www.answercoalition.org/la/event ... vigil.html

    Los Angeles Protest & Vigil to Stop the Wars


    Date: December 18, 2010
    Time: 6:00 pm
    Location: Corner of Hollywood Blvd. & Highland Ave.
    Los Angeles , California
    Contact: ANSWER Coalition at [email protected] or 213-251-1025
    Website: http://www.answerla.org


    Make this holiday season one of solidarity, peace, justice and struggle. Join ANSWER Coalition, other anti-war/peace groups and students, veterans and community organizations on Saturday, Dec. 18 for a protest and vigil in Los Angeles.

    We'll rally at the busiest street corner in Los Angeles on the busiest shopping day of the year to say no to U.S. wars, racism and all attacks on working and poor people.

    There will be anti-war banners and signs, photos of children affected by U.S. occupations and proxy wars, hundreds of candles, veterans just returning from a mass anti-war action in Washington, D.C., well-known speakers, musicians, Korean drummers and more. In addition, we call on artists and poets to help make this event even more exciting, visual and inclusive.

    The U.S. war on Afghanistan is in its 10th year with no end in sight. U.S. troops still occupy Iraq. The government continues to fund the Israeli war state that occupies and oppresses Palestinians. Each day, over $500 million in U.S. taxpayer dollars goes to fund war on working and poor people abroad as millions of people in the United States are losing jobs, homes, health insurance, unemployment benefits and finding it harder to survive. This must end. We have to let the White House, Congress and everyone know that we will continue to build a movement for peace, equality and real change.

    Join us on December 18 to demand:

    * Stop the wars! Bring the troops home now!
    * U.S./NATO out of Afghanistan! U.S. out of Iraq!
    * Hands of Iran, Korea, the Philippines and everywhere!
    * End U.S. aid to Israel! Free Palestine!
    * Money for jobs, education, healthcare, housing--not war!
    * Stand against racism, immigrant bashing, sexism and anti-LGBT bigotry!

    Let's unite to stop U.S. wars abroad and demand funding for people's needs at home!

    Protest & Vigil sponsored by ANSWER Coalition, March Forward!, Office of the Americas, KmB Pro-People Youth, Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines, Korean Americans for Peace, National Lawyers Guild, Veterans for Peace, AF3IRM (Association of Filipinas, Feminists Fighting Imperialism, Re-feudalization & Marginalization), Youth & Student ANSWER, Students Fight Back, Free Palestine Alliance, Palestinian American Women's Association, Party for Socialism and Liberation, Topanga Peace Alliance, Vamos Unidos USA and others. Add your organization's name today!
     

  2. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Good post! Would attend if i lived there... but FUCK the troops, they can stay there to suffer.
     
  3. snookams

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    i'm there
     
  4. christalestrella

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    nah, fuck the assholes that got them recruited and the fucking news who tells them to fear al-qaeda and the elitists sitting in their multi million dollar homes making more and more profit off them.
     
  5. JesusCrust

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    I have no sympathy for the troops on the side of a nation that chooses to wage a voluntary war. They know what they're getting themselves into. They signed up for it. Killing for the government doesn't fly well with me. I feel horrible for the poor insurgents who are just trying to fend for themselves, their friends, family and communities from our invasion.

    I lied, I do give a shred of sympathy for the people that get suckered into it, feel like they have no other choice, etc, but that sympathy goes away for the most part when I remember what they are volunteering to do.
    As far as the assholes that just wanna kill "sand niggers," fuck em. Someone told me her friend had his legs blown off from an IED and died soon after, didn't give a shit. That same guy probably killed innocent lives, men, women, and children, all in the name of American Imperialism.
     
  6. JesusCrust

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    But this also. Fuck the assholes that glamorize war, and trick people into doing their dirty work.
     
  7. sludgefuck

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    This. You can't use media/society as an excuse because it would be excusing the stupidity of the masses and that's just not gonna fly. Who cares if they die. They get recognized as a "hero" and we have one less bloodthirsty mindless idiot to deal with. Everyone wins
     
  8. vAsSiLy77

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    Recently we got in contact with a handful of american deserters - most of them live undercover in the netherlands after beeing wounded in the middle east and shipped to germoney for medical treatment, then deserting. Some of them already engage in anti-war actions, which isn't that safe for them - germoney will follow the extradition agreements with the u.s. if they are arrested within it's borders - but these guys have something to say and bravely do it.
    Canada is brimming with deserters from the us-military too and there is already a movement working on some asyl-agreement to prevent their extradition - stupidity of the masses?
    I think we can blame the media for brainwashing and society for depriving perspectives to the poor - and I guess no 17-year old recruit ever believed that it could get "hot" for him, most of them just want to do a "job" - because there are no alternatives for them. (Yes, I know there are always alternatives, but not everyone is an anarchist genius with a high perception what's going on and what to do about it.)
    They make a horrible mistake when they sign up, they pay for it and make others pay for it too - not only their victims in the warzones, but their own people at home too, not to mention the international tensions in non-war regions ect.
    I don't give a shit about a "universal soldier", but I rather wish them deserting and thus weakening the killing machine than to die a useless death only to become the hero-cliche for the next generation of brainwashed fools to join up. For me it's just too easy to condemn them in general, they are the pawns in the game, but the players are
     
  9. JesusCrust

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    To me they're the same as cops. A government funded racist murder machine. A cop may be a good person at home, but he's still a fucking cop. I'll admit there are some kids that enlist and immediately freak out, but they still signed up knowing they were going to be ordered to kill, and possibly be killed. They knew the job description, maybe might not have comprehended it in it's fullest, but they still knew.
     
  10. JesusCrust

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    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CArLtLfX-BM[/video]


    This is getting a little off topic. I'm sure there's already a million threads on this, but I like this song, and is relevant to our mini sub convo.
     
  11. JoeyV

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    nah, fuck the asshole troop that does what he told and kills an innocent person for simply trying to protect there family.

    Might go, but need to look into it a little more, Cause I got a email from that site saying something about a protest to support the troops and bring them home.
     
  12. JesusCrust

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    A.N.S.W.E.R is alright. One of the main putter-oners of protests in LA. They're pacifists for the most part, and don't advocate violence at protests, and I'm pretty sure the email you got was in support of bringing them home. Like "support the troops by bringing them home" or something like that. Remember that leaving them there would just end more and more innocent lives. Besides, no matter what A.N.S.W.E.R. is for, at a protest people faction off, you don't have to listen to their protesting guidelines.
     
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  14. JesusCrust

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    Bump, because it's tomorrow.
     
  15. vAsSiLy77

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    bit of inspiration for future protests and - offtopix - my personal comment to "fuck the troops":

    Sir! No Sir!
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sir! No Sir! is a 2005 Displaced Films and BBC documentary film about the anti-war movement within the ranks of the United States Military during the Vietnam War.[1]

    It is subtitled "the suppressed story of the GI movement to end the war in Vietnam." It was completed in 2005 and won the audience award at the Los Angeles Film Festival and the Golden Starfish Award for best documentary in 2005. The film is also a part of the Iraq Media Action Project film collection.

    The film was produced, directed, and written by David Zeiger. It consists in part of interviews with Vietnam veterans explaining the reasons they protested the war or even defected.

    The film tells the story of how, from the very start of the war, such as with the Green Berets, there was resentment within the ranks over the difference between the conflict in Vietnam and (as Jane Fonda and others state in the film) the "good wars" that their fathers had fought. In the beginning some servicemen simply left the military as individuals; according to Pentagon figures, between 1966 and 1971 there were over 500,000 incidents of desertion in the U.S. military.[2] Over time, however, it became apparent that so many were opposed to the war that they could speak of a movement. Howard Levy noticed this when he stopped training soldiers and got a lot of support from fellow soldiers. Protest newspapers started to be printed. This resulted in a severe crackdown by the Army, sending people to prison for years. The organiser of one protest newspaper was sent to prison for ten years for the alleged possession of marijuana.

    Another cause for discontent was that a large number of the soldiers sent to the front were black and at the time a black movement was rising. One notion was that blacks should only fight against black oppression and that was not going on in Vietnam, so blacks should not go there. This resulted in one revolt, at the Long Binh Jail in South Vietnam in August 1968, in which one white soldier was killed.[3]

    The movement eventually made the U.S. Army almost unoperable. In response to this, U.S. president Richard Nixon decided to "Vietnamise" the war, leaving the ground fighting to South Vietnamese troops and limiting U.S. involvement to bombardments. As a result, the presence of U.S. soldiers at the border was denied, leaving these soldiers to fend for themselves. When six of these soldiers were ordered to go on what was effectively a suicide mission, they refused and instead decided to send a message to the home front. Nixon responded to this by pulling that company out, but then other companies started to stop fighting as well. Some officers were killed by their own men. Because this was often done with fragmentation grenades, it became known as fragging.

    When, during one offensive, more bombs were dropped on Vietnam than were used during the whole of World War II (by both sides), the Navy also started to protest. A ballot was cast on the aircraft carrier Constellation, in which the crew decided not to go to Vietnam.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir!_No_Sir!
     
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