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Kronstadt

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by nodz, Aug 23, 2010.

  1. nodz

    nodzExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Can anybody direct me where to go to read about the Kronstadt Rebellion, not wiki etc. Was looking for a more comprehensive book on the subject.
     
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  2. ungovernable

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    wikipedia / anarchopedia is the best place to start

    the best book i can recommand you is "the unknown revolution" by Voline, a russian anarchist. The best and most complete anarchist point of view on the russian revolution, including the whole kronsdadt story.

    i also have many many othe references, but it's in french :(
     
    ungovernable, Aug 24, 2010
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  3. nodz

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    Thanks for that.
    I was just trolling some of the books I had downloaded before and realise that I have the book by Voline. I will give it a read.
     
    nodz, Aug 24, 2010
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    The trots are constantly putting out texts :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:
     
    butcher, Aug 24, 2010
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  5. ungovernable

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    really ? i wonder how they explain the massacre.... oh those evils anarchists, they wanted decrentralisation of the bureaucratic dictatorship, evil counter-revolutionnaries, lets exterminate them !!
     
    ungovernable, Aug 24, 2010
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  6. butcher

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    generally something like them all being white army provocateurs or some shit. Same with Makhnovistas
     
    butcher, Aug 24, 2010
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  7. ungovernable

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    what a joke... makhnovtchina fought against white army
     
    ungovernable, Aug 25, 2010
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  8. butcher

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    and Trotsky, its better for today's trots to lie about history then admit you're a follower of a counter-revo fuckwit
     
    butcher, Aug 25, 2010
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    So this is the “heroic revolt against Bolshevik totalitarianism” that the anarchists put at the centre of their critique of the Russian revolution. A sorry collection of anti-Semitic peasants, led by pro-Tsarist Generals who openly admit that their adherence to “soviet” power was nothing but a device to take it themselves. These heroic “rebels”, when faced with a workers’ uprising in support of Bolshevism, which was also backed by many sailors, used terror and repression to maintain their hold on power. An interesting bunch of facts on which to hang a theory denouncing Bolshevism!
    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
    Turns out these 'new facts' are simply the thoughts of another trot bastard

    Other 'facts' note the tragic necessity of murdering workers.

    and for lolz and icepicks

    fuck i hate Socialist Alternative
    They are the biggest 'leftie' group in Melbourne, consisting of mostly rich Melbourne University (the most exclusive one for y'all) students masquerading as workers, cultist as fuck too, the leadership don't like young members talking to other groups lest they learn something. Hoping for them to invest in some property in Guyana soon.

    Now for something more sensible, and, like, based on real events and facts, and other, you know, superfluous shit. You know, we're building a vanguard of middle class wankers here!

    All power to the Soviets and not to parties!
     
    butcher, Aug 25, 2010
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  10. we're_all_dead_anyway

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    Kronstadt, 1921 by Paul Avrich. Very detailed account, an amazing book.
     
    we're_all_dead_anyway, Aug 26, 2010
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  11. nodz

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    Just finished reading the first book of Voline's The Unknown Revoluton this morning. It basically gets up to installation (ascent to power) of the Bolsheviki government in the middle of 1917. Just starting to read the second book now.
     
    nodz, Aug 26, 2010
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  12. ungovernable

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    WTF !!!!

    As far as i know, the kronsdadt sailors were not tsarist generals but the elite of the red army who did the revolution with the bolsheviks, and then revolted against state totalitarism and centralisation.... Sounds like stalin-era disinformation bullshit to me !! It's the bolshevik who used terror and repression to maintain their hold on power, the sailors were peaceful and just wanted the bolshevik to leave them alone at kronsdadt!!


    i'm going to puke !!!
     
    ungovernable, Aug 27, 2010
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  13. butcher

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    The Trots! The Trots! We gotta get rid of the Trots!
    :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :S

    'One trot party meeting in the hall, one trot party meeting in the hall, and if that trot party should have an ugly brawl, there'll be two trot parties sitting in the hall...'

    Fucking scum eh? Welcome to the Australian 'Left' :ecouteurs:
     
    butcher, Aug 27, 2010
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  14. nodz

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    This certainly doesn't sound right from Voline's first book of the Unknown revolution. He states that at the time the Bolsheviks took power there was no real anarchist movement within Russia (because most of the anarchists were exiled in Europe) and what little movement there was, was completely disorganised.
     
    nodz, Aug 27, 2010
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