Jello Biafra on 'Nazi Punks' and hate speech

Yeah, I think Jello aint really considering the hold bands can have over their fans.

 

Nazis are way more extremist and powerful in countries that nazism is forbidden by law.
How do you explain that ungovernable?

 

I come up with an example: In some countries, communist parties were illegal and extremist during 50's/60's but by the time they became legal by law they stopped acting underground and became anti-extremist (the same applies to nazis in my opinion). If the authority and medias want to advertise and support nazis, they will do it (illegal or not).

I don't know why we (anarchists) have to support some authority laws when we simply want no laws, we have to fight against nazis on our own.

 

If promoting nazi ideas didn't create new nazis, why the fuck would they do it?

 

This notion of free speech is ensconsed in the North-American psyche that I have trouble relating it to the French context. I suppose if you ban one aspect of the right-wing ideology (a symbol, a particular racist speech like Holocaust deniers...), the right-wing parties and organizations will just turn to another enemy that they have the right to attack up front. To give examples: no more "white power" but "let's preserve the identity of real Frenchmen and women", no more "the Jews control the world" but "international bankers are pulling the strings", no more "Jews are invading the great French nation" but "Muslims and Arabs are uncompatible with values of the Republic because they're backward people", and on and on.

While I don't think letting all out nazism run wild in the media is acceptable, I am skeptical about the real effectiveness of forbidding its more visible manifestations, because these people adapt very fast.

 

Free speech is great thing, but when that becomes dangerous, you have to start considering the rights of those targeted.

 

You get me wrong, I mean that our exact problem (for example in Russia) is that nazis get helped by/co-operate with the state (which happens in many other countries as well even if those groups are illegal or not).
Making them "illegal" and at the same time tolerate them is another trick to draw people and also make them look "underground" and "against the authority" which is kinda fake because they will co-operate with authority anytime they have something in common to fight (for example against immigrants).
We shouldn't support authority laws (any of them) cause we are anarchists and won't support the state and their laws, both of them are enemies for us.

 

In my opinion nothing changes through elections and laws, we have to see what is the true plan behind a law, the authorities can still support and tolerate nazis even if they are illegal by law.
By the way when nazis have a problem with this law they always camouflage themselves and pretend to be simple racists/conservatives and still can create new groups/parties.

 

If murders and rapes were legalized, society would reach extreme stages and rulers wouldn't like to risk their power, take it like they just compromised with the rest of society but this doesn't mean that those crimes have been stopped.

My point is not about free speech but the results from all those laws.

 

I know Mr. Biafra doesn't actually give a shit about the first Ammendment... however, you spell it, LoL...

I saw him repeatedly call to get Mr. Glen Beck off the air over and over again, and not "let's boycott his show", but we need to get his free speech off the air as soon as possible by any means necessary, not something someone says who is pro-free speech; not that I am a fan of Glen Beck's, but I wouldn't actively say that anyone should be taken off the air because of what they say, without giving any examples and getting a crowd of mostly artists to all try and take someone's opinions off the air because they simply do not agree with him... Mr. Biafra is a politician now and has been for some time, it's best we treat him like one; with disdain and all... but politely, we shouldn't scream he shut up like he did Glen Beck...

 

Yes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17137736

 

Antifas in Europe are really lucky since there are just few extremists groups of right-wing scums. I can give my country as an example ( and my neighbours, since i live on balkan and I more or less know what's happening around me ), there are no extremist groups that literally kill people. Of course there are hooligans who just beat up someone for fun but that's not the same. I've never seen a nazi rally in my country, but I see it often in amerika.

The only country I could compare to russia is maybe Serbia ( as far as I know). Chetniks are the only problem there ( type of monarch-nationalist scum). But other then that, just some common scum walking the streets talking about nationalism without any direct action ( which is good for us).