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Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by badman, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. vAsSiLy77

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    and I say: T'was in the ministry of love, luv, this one:
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  2. butcher

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    I realised that posting the 'social revolution in Israel! (or whateva it was)' article may have implied that I agreed with it, which i don't, just posted it as a starting point for discussion...
    Anywayz, here's one i do actually like:

    i think i get moar Marxist as i get older :/
    I've discovered Science, Vassil! :o
    may have to turn myself in to the Ministry for some rats and rats and rats
     
  3. nike

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    i don't really want to encourage or support the current rise of the red tide, the source-site is definitely odd as leninists are always, but the article mentions some really interesting aspects and statistical numbers - yesyesyess, i'll get a season ticket for 101 because of this:

    Friday, August 05, 2011
    The choice for Israeli protests posted by lenin
    The New York Times, of all publications, puts it bluntly:
    But there is one issue conspicuously missing from the protests: Israel’s 44-year occupation of the Palestinian territories, which exacts a heavy price on the state budget and is directly related to the lack of affordable housing within Israel proper.
    According to a report published by the activist group Peace Now, the Israeli government is using over 15 percent of its public construction budget to expand West Bank settlements, which house only 4 percent of Israeli citizens. According to the Adva Center, a research institute, Israel spends twice as much on a settlement resident as it spends on other Israelis.
    Indeed, much of the lack of affordable housing in Israeli cities can be traced back to the 1990s, when the availability of public housing in Israel was severely curtailed while subsidies in the settlements increased, driving many lower-middle-class and working-class Israelis into the West Bank and Gaza Strip — along with many new immigrants.
    Israel today is facing the consequences of a policy that favors sustaining the occupation and expanding settlements over protecting the interests of the broader population. The annual cost of maintaining control over Palestinian land is estimated at over $700 million.
    Of course, the government will try to overcome the problem by continuing the colonization of the West Bank and encouraging more Israelis to participate. So, Israeli workers have a clear choice. They can continue to invest in Zionism, continue to uphold the chauvinism at the heart of Israeli society that validates the occupation and the repression of Palestinians, and hope to resolve their dilemmas at the expense of the oppressed. Or they can make that link which they have so far refused to make, between their situation and that of the Palestinians, and begin the work of undoing the Zionism which has hitherto held them hostage. I suspect that whatever decision they make in this respect will have a lot to do with what now happens to the Arab revolutions.
    http://leninology.blogspot.com/2011/08/ ... tests.html - some of the "latest posts" seemed interesting too.

    and i'd like to mention again, that the israeli government is still buying immigrants from north africa into erez iosrael...
    i think the tawarishch commissar referred to this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism
    (and i never would dare to ask "whatt's about sitting in trash up to the nose and thinking of the castles in the sky to get rid of da smell)
    and there's christian science too...
     
  4. butcher

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    that's what i was referring to as well...
    and as a good comrade i need to denounce myself and get some reeducation for the good of the party. ;)
     
  5. nike

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    [​IMG]
    REPENT first, then:
     
  6. vAsSiLy77

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    Omigod - you got it all wrong boyz and gurlz:
    Father Wladimir Iljitsch Uljanow wrote: Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder
    but only for the good kids to read to before sleeping... and not for yours horrible little Anarchists!
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    Bolshevist sleeping beauty:
    Better dead than bread...
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    but only for those who reached their planned production target today!
     
  7. butcher

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    after my nighttime story, i cuddle up with my favourite teddy for a blissful sleep:

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    *dreams of Siberia*
     
  8. punkmar77

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    Can we please try to keep this on topic....
     
  9. vAsSiLy77

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    Right on topic:

    Palestine leader 'promoted'
    Published Saturday August 6th, 2011
    The United Nations has assigned head-of-state status to the leader of the Palestinian Authority ahead of an anticipated vote by the world body on whether to recognize Palestinian statehood, a speakers' list for the world body's annual debate shows.
    An "HS" designation means that Mahmoud Abbas, as the Palestinian Authority president, can speak towards the beginning of the Sept. 21-27 summit alongside other heads of state - and ahead of most heads of government, such as Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
    In previous years, Abbas has been listed as an "HL" - or "high level" delegate - for the entity of Palestine, which holds UN Observer status.
    When asked about the HS designation, the UN department responsible for issuing the list insisted it was a typo.
    Yet how coincidental it is that the "mistake" comes in a year that the Palestinian Authority pledged to seek official UN recognition of an independent Palestine that sits alongside an Israel with borders clipped to those that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War.
    While any such recognition would require backing from the 15-member UN Security Council and two-thirds of the 192-member General Assembly, UN administrators are required to remain neutral on the matter.
    Their "typo" doesn't wash with Anne Bayefsky of the New York-based monitoring group Eye on the UN - which was the first to highlight the UN's "HS" epithet for Abbas.
    "The UN has pre-judged any vote that might take place on Palestinian statehood," she said.
    To Bayefsky, a Canadian law professor, the entry reflects "the deep-seated bias at the organization against Israel."
    Last year, 78 per cent of all General Assembly resolutions condemning any of the 192 UN member states for human rights violations were directed at Israel alone, according to research by Eye on the UN.
    Supporters of Israel say such targeting is possible because of an "automatic majority" that Arab and Muslim states command in the General Assembly, with the help of a series of largely anti-West developing countries such as Cuba and Venezuela.
    "The automatic majority at the UN has been in the driver's seat for pushing through measures in favour of the Palestinians for years," Bayefsky says.
    Harper addressed last year's debate on its first day - just ahead of Canada's failed bid to win assembly election to the UN Security Council.
    This year the UN has slotted Harper into a fourth-day Saturday spot, between the heads of government for Nepal and Andorra - and one day after Abbas.
    Could Harper's remote placement be connected in any way with the Canadian government's recent pledge to vote against the Palestinian UN-membership bid should the issue come to the General Assembly floor? Dimitri Soudas, Harper's spokesman, said there has been "no decision at this time" about whether the PM will even attend.


    Palestinians Hold Non-violent Anti-Wall Protests In 4 Villages

    Saturday August 06, 2011 03:10 by IMEMC & PNN
    Non-violent protests took place on Friday in the central West Bank villages of al-Nabi Saleh, Bil’in, and Nil’in in addition to al-Ma’ssara in the southern West Bank.
    Local and international protesters were tear gassed today as they marched in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh. Unlike other recent protests in the village, Israeli soldiers did not meet the protesters in the village but along a road leading out of the town.
    After the march Israeli soldiers entered the village and threw a tear gas canister into a house where protesters had gathered. As protesters escaped the house, more tear gas was shot into the streets. In recent weeks Israeli soldiers have stepped-up their efforts in Nabi Saleh, declaring the village a closed military zone and stopping activists and journalists before even reaching the village.
    In Bil’in village also central West Bank, dozens of Palestinian villagers in addition to Israeli and International peace activists marched after the Friday prayers from the mosque to the lands confiscated by Israel to build the wall.
    A tractor carrying chairs and trash cans drove in front of the marchers who were heading to Abu Laimun’s family land in order to turn in into a public park for the village. However troops showered them to tear gas and rubber coated steel bullets in addition to an unknown foul-smelling chemical material. Dozens suffered from tear-gas inhalation and were treated by field medics.
    This week, people in Bil’in marched in support of the Palestinian statehood bid at the UN in September troops used tear gas and rubber coated steel bullets also to suppress the anti wall protest in the nearby village of Nil’in. Villagers were joined by Israeli and international supporters after the midday prayers and marched up to the wall.
    Troops fired tear gas at protesters causing many to suffer from tear gas inhalation. In southern West Bank, many treated for the effects of tear gas inhalation as troops attacked the anti-wall protest organized in al-Ma’sara village near Bethlehem. Soldiers attacked protesters as they tried to reach land owned by local farmers that had been taken by Israel for the wall.
    http://www.imemc.org/article/61808
    http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/ ... -villages/
     
  10. punkmar77

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    Anti-Muslim Blogger: Slain Norwegian Teens Were ‘Hateful, Privileged Brats’

    Posted in Anti-Muslim by Robert Steinback on July 29, 2011

    Those who oppose Israel’s policies deserve to die. Even teenagers.

    That’s the only interpretation possible of ultra-right-wing Muslim-hating blogger Debbie Schlussel’s Thursday post, in which she notes that the day before Anders Behring Breivik paid a visit to their political camp a week ago and turned scores of them into corpses, the teenagers on Utøya Island had dared to hoist a “Boycott Israel” sign.

    Schlussel’s blog, entitled, “Karma? Norway Camp Breivik Shot Up Celebrated HAMAS, Jew-Hatred,” will surely rank among the most coldly savage Internet postings of all time. Her faint-hearted condemnation of mass murder does nothing to mitigate the horror of her obvious, abundant glee over last Friday’s bloodshed

    “These kids who were killed by a terrorist . . . well, they sided with Islamic terrorists,” Schlussel wrote. “Funny how Glenn Beck has come under attack for comparing the camp to a Hitler Youth camp. Based on these pics, seems like he’s spot on, though he should have added, HAMAS Youth camp, too. As we all know, Nazis boycotted Jews and were Jew-killers. And these hateful, privileged brats at the camp boycotted Jews and sided with Jew-killers. I don’t condone violent massacres on innocent civilians, and I condemn what Breivik did. He is a terrorist just like the 9/11 hijackers, Hezbollah, HAMAS, and Nidal Malik Hasan [the U.S. Army major charged with killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, in November 2009]. But what goes around comes around. You support terrorists against innocent civilians in Israel, then you get attacked by terrorists who are upset with your support.”

    One wonders why Schlussel even bothered to say she doesn’t “condone massacres on innocent civilians” when, in the next breath, she makes clear she feels absolutely no sadness about the victims’ demise – saying, essentially, that while she dislikes the wanton murder of unarmed children, the outcome of wanton murder can be considered righteous.

    “For me, this is like Alien v. Predator. I’m not sad for either side. And I make no apologies for it. Now these kids’ families know what it feels like to be victims of the Islamic terrorists whose Judenrein boycotts and terrorist flotillas against Israel they support. We don’t live in a vacuum. I can’t feel sorry for those who support my would-be assassins. And I don’t get too upset when they face the karma that is their fate.”

    What prompted Schlussel’s outburst was a report from Norway’s online news site Politisk of a visit to the Utøya Island Labor Youth League camp by Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store the day before Breivik’s massacre. The young liberals greeted him with a demand that Norway recognize a Palestinian state – a position endorsed by Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton as well as many Israeli politicians, including current conservative Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The Labor Party’s youth wing, the Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking, or AUF, has called for a boycott of Israel in support of a Palestinian state – a political approach to a political issue, and one that can’t fairly be compared to “supporting terrorists.”

    But such a stance is a death-penalty offense to Schlussel, even though supporters of the two-state solution firmly believe – rightly or wrongly – that it will assure Israel’s survival. “I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.”

    Death and suffering to those she considers infidels – regardless of guilt or innocence – has become Schlussel’s stock in trade. After the American raid that resulted in the death of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May, Schlussel wrote, “Rot in hell, Osama Bin Laden. One down, 1.8 billion to go” – meaning the entire population of the world’s Muslims – “many of ’em inside U.S. borders.” Schlussel also danced a jig after the sexual attack on CBS correspondent Lara Logan in Cairo in February: “So sad, too bad, Lara. No one told her to go there. She knew the risks. And she should have known what Islam is all about. Now she knows. Or so we’d hope. … How fitting that Lara Logan was ‘liberated’ by Muslims in Liberation Square while she was gushing over the other part of the ‘liberation.’ Hope you’re enjoying the revolution, Lara! Alhamdilllullah (praise allah) [sic].”

    Did Schlussel not think for more than a millisecond before committing her stunning words about Oslo to the blogosphere? Kids who take a political stance – well informed or not – should be put in their graves for it? Their parents should thus be taught a lesson for their beliefs? It didn’t matter to Schlussel that the Norwegian victims weren’t killed by anyone Schlussel hates – that is, a Muslim – but by a countryman whom Schlussel would have heartily championed the day before his rampage. Innocents should die, she has concluded, because they don’t share Breivik’s and her rabid hatred. Period. Amazingly, both Breivik and Schlussel believe such beliefs put them on the high road.

    New York Times blogger Robert Mackey described the AUF youth who gathered on Utøya Island – children so callously vilified by Beck as “Hitler Youth” and by Schlussel as “HAMAS youth” – as the “direct descendants, individually and ideologically, of the courageous young socialists who played such a vital role in the Norwegian resistance to the Nazis.” But context isn’t important to those like Schlussel who dwell in sewers. It stinks, no matter which way they turn.

    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/07/2 ... r=HW080411
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Schlussel

    Guess we'll have to call her debbi vicious from now on... what a bummer!
     
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    I'm all for Palestine and i think its shameful of the media to be ignoring the conditions that the Palestinian people have to live with in fact last year i was in a church last year i know, i know, i live in the bible belt every other building is a church (by the way for anyone not from the u.s. it's where America makes it's morons to export elsewhere) and the subject arose and everyone was very against Palestine and know one could give me a straight answer why, in fact not one person could give me any information about any of it. most of them thought that israel was the one being invaded and when corrected they were shocked, some wouldn't believe it. it was like being in some crazy mirror mirror world.
     
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    The Free Tibet movement is the Dalai Lama administation which is funded by The United States of America through The CIA. The Dalai Lama would become king if Tibet reached independence,and the Dalai Lama is Anti-gay and Anti-abortion.
     
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    Fundementalist Christians tend to be Pro-Israel because Judaisim and Christianity are a lot alike. Mormons are the most Fundementalist Christian Religion. The Mormons idea about Jesus being in America is dumb, and the Mormon faith is a newer religion, so Mormonism is a cult and a scam.
     
  15. vAsSiLy77

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    some of the good christians seem to see kinda bible prophecy revealing itself "as it was written in the holy book":
    and the stupid bibleworms will never give a shit about that "daniel" isn't regarded as a prophet by the jewish, never wrote a single word and that the guys who did the writing, were nothing but propagandists promoting their own gone-for-good-and-almost-forgotten view on the little of the world they they knew at their time.
    this "daniel"-quote means nothing else but:
    "erez israel" and the chosen people should never make peace with the neighbors of the "god given land" or accept to be ruled over by pagans "antichrists" because it opposes jahwes will...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel
    it isn't prophecy, just xenophobe ultra-nationalism disguised as faith! :ecouteurs:
     
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    http://www.news24.com/World/News/UN-war ... n-20110818 & AFP

     
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    people from tel aviv wrote me that israel and egypt agreed upon the deployment of another 1000 egypt troopers on sinai/gaza border in the coming weeks and expressed the suspect, that this could be the preparation for a complete gaza blockade in september.

    the official egypt version:
    http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Story.aspx?sid=57375
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/16/world/middleeast/16sinai.html
     
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/21/israel-air-strikes-gaza-netanyahu
    ...the grateful homelands:
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    Avaaz-Recognize-Palestine campaign:
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/middle_east_peace_now/?cl=1235592033&v=10054
     
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