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Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by badman, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. badman

    badmanExperienced Member Experienced member


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    sorry if anyone thinks this is in the wrong category but was just looking for everyones views and reasonings on this issue.
     

  2. ungovernable

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    This graphic is self-explainatory :
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    Palestine situation is pretty much like Tibet. A country being annhilated by the imperialism of their neightboorhood. Soon they are gonna totally disseapear. I support them totally.

    The bad thing, however, is that the right-wing assholes also take part in this fight in the name of "anti-sionism" because israel is the oppressor, and it really makes a bad image of the struggle. And sometimes it's the opposite, islamist peoples who support Hamas will take part to the protests yelling "allah ahk'bar"

    But now peoples are forgetting this fight that is still going on because we got Mister.Peace as a president and everyone think he's a good guy because he's the first black president and because he's against irak war.

    But according to Noam Chomsky, the first decision that Obama took as a president was to order the bombing of a palestinian city.

    Since years and years americans always supported israel, in return they have some sort of military outpost to have a presence in the middle-east, and they have a strong ally for their past future middle-east wars. It's a very strategic decision, no wonder why they keep sending they weapons, military technology, and money...
     
  3. Rabbit

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    I think it's interesting that the current popular position is to be pro-Palestine, so all the "Save Darfur" people are moving on to this conflict.
    I think that both sides in the conflict have elements that are destructive. The Israeli settler movement is nothing short of imperialism. However, it should be noted that the government of Israel does a good job of pushing the idea of peace through the media. In contrast, Palestinian children are taught that it is better to die for Allah than to live in peace with Israel.
    With Arafat gone, peace seems more likely. Just have to hope that Hamas and the right wing Zionists lose power so that something can get done.
     
  4. ungovernable

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    This is ridiculous, this is the usual government speech like the US are doing in irak and in afghanistan. Because the US always talking about bringing peace with wars doesn't mean they really want peace, and it's the same thing with israel.

    Look at the graphic i posted, israel is annihilating palestine. They want to colonize it and see it disseapear.

    If 95% of your country were occupied by a foreign army, if you were being bombed for the last 100 years, if you were a victim of all the injustices there then maybe you'd understand why they want to fight against israel.

    If Israel want peace, then they must start by giving back the land that belongs to Palestine. It's easy to say "we want peace" when you won the war and got control of the ennemy territories.

    It's like the USA saying "we want peace" now that they killed saddam hussein, stole irak oil, and now that their army is all over Irak and now that the US multinationals took control of the economy

    And in both cases - US and Israel - both rely on the medias to spread their lies and hide their atrocious wars by pretending they are doing it for peace. Don't swallow their lies

    You can't blame palestine, they are the victims.
     
  5. ampallang

    ampallangActive Member Forum Member


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    the USA does it so much money to israel its fucking insane!
     
  6. Rabbit

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    I was referring to a comparison of educational materials in Israeli and Palestinian schools. I don't give a rat's ass what the leaders say. It's what's in the textbooks and in the schools. By comparison, Palestinian Authority TV is using Mickey Mouse to tell children to blow themselves up for Allah.

    1. "They want to colonize it and see it disappear" is ridiculous. Israel is a country like any other, there are certainly extremist elements that DO want a takeover, but most are against anything like that.
    2. Are you familiar with the history of the conflict? After the Oslo Peace Accords, the Israelis pulled out of Gaza completely and out of 95% of the West Bank. They offered Arafat even more, but he refused because he insisted on the total destruction of Israel. The reason that the Israeli army has pushed back into the West Bank is because of rocket attacks coming from there. Not defending their action, but I'm curious what you would have them do in that situation.

    Truly, truly ridiculous. This is a two-sided conflict. If you don't think that suicide bombings have escalated the confict, I don't think we can have a dialogue on this.

    Finally, please take a look at the history of the conflict. The Israel government pursued the "land for peace" agreement in which they hand over ALL occupied territories and in exchange, the Palestinians stop attacks against Israel. They handed over the territories promised and the attacks increased. Israel is a very fucked up state and I won't defend most of what they've done (especially in the last few years), but they kept their end of the bargain in '93, and in return more Israelis were killed.
     
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    [​IMG]
    Also, to add another map, this is the proposed 1993 Oslo Peace Accords map
     
  8. Juka

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    So...if I'm against the authority, I can't support the israel state or palestinians state, but I can see and I can be against the brutality of israel' power (with the support of the "democratics" occidental government) against the people that live in this land...
    o_O
     
  9. dwtcos

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    Did anyone else see those Palestinian cartoons last night on The Daily Show? (and yes I know he's not an anarchist, but he's still funny as hell)
     
  10. Bentheanarchist

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    The israeli government oppress the Palestinians, not the jews, but all religion is evil, because it creates conflict.
     
  11. vAsSiLy77

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    not only the israelis oppress the Palestinians, "extremist" muslim groups like the hamas are very ambicious instrumentalizing and abusing the palestinian struggle for their own aims.
    "The conflict is called Wakseh among Palestinians, meaning humiliation, ruin, and collapse as a result of self-inflicted damage." (wikipedia)
    you're right, the religious aspects are more than destructible and maybe will destroy the idea of free Palestine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%8 ... s_conflict
    http://samsonblinded.org/blog/plo-fatah-and-hamas.htm
     
  12. agungpratama82

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    we have to care about humanity slaughter in Israeli, please we are human and God will smile if we love one another as a human, thanks
     
  13. Bakica

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    Are
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    Anyway, I searched for something about U.S supporting Israel and didn't find anything useful. So, as always I asked my mom what does she think about it and she said that Israel is keeping the money for U.S ( don't know in what way she thought that), but if it's true can someone explain that to me ? Recently, I have become more interested in worlds problem such as Iraq, Israeli-Palestinian situation, nowadays Libya and others..
     
  14. rebul420

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    i really dont believe theres any brainwashing in the palestinian media... besides what fuckin media do they have?
    i know many palestinians and they've never seen anything like that "kill yourself for allah"
    thats against muslim beliefs suicide is one of the biggest sins...
    anyways after seeing some bullshit on fox news the other day some supposed tv show from some arab country which depicted a "terrorist" teaching a child to fly a plane into the twin towers, i now think that most of this propganda that supposedly is coming from the middle east is coming right out of the Fox news headquarters..
    now.. lets say most of your family has been either murdered or jailed and your house taken over and some snobby people came and took it over would you not go kamikaze on their asses? not in the name of religion but for the fact that theres not much hope left...
    after being raped for decades are you going to really trust a treaty? that treaty was BS it was just used as a tool to convince people like rabbit over there that palestinians are crazy war mongers
     
  15. vAsSiLy77

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    Just for information: After the Hamas took over there is nothing like palestinian media, now it's teheran sponsored brainwashing time.
    I found myself quite a number of melodramatic and ultraviolent videoclips produced during the hamas/fatah-crisis in gaza:
    Taking israeli-heads for revenging murdered brides, little sisters, old mums... preaching the glory of martyrdom ect.
    The stuff is there and is still there, so it must have some reception which isn't surprising in the given situation.
    Get your stuff right, mate, dying as a martyr isn't committing suicide, simply because you won't kill yourself - your enemy does the job.
    Fox is spreading bullshit propaganda, but that's no reason to fall into the opposite stupidity and belief just the opposite of what they lie about and keep being ignorant about what's really happening.
     
  16. vAsSiLy77

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    Most of the "extremist" stuff isn't produced or broadcasted from within Palestine, but from Lebanon and Jordan and it's really no secret who's funding the hate-propaganda while some small genuine palestine groups have to ask for donations to organize training and equipment for kinda citizen reporters to document the daily struggle and the israeli harassment.
    The whole thing isn't just east vs. west/black vs. white.
     
  17. Bentheanarchist

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    Israel assassinates Hamas members by bombing their neighborhood killing innocent people.
    The Hamas is a islamist terrorist group.
    Most of their members are brainwashed to kill Jews.
     
  18. vAsSiLy77

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    The hamas is far more than justa islamist terrorist group, funded by teheran they become more and more a state within the states of Jordan, Lebanon and now Gaza, running their own social and military programs - up to fighting the palestine organisations like the fatah in armed conflict:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance ... Gaza_Strip
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%8 ... s_conflict
    some of today's Gaza news:
    http://www.government-news.co.uk/foreig ... n-gaza.asp
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 59676.html
     
  19. Bentheanarchist

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    The Iranian government is terrorist.
    It is just a regular terrorist group.
    It is funded by a bigger power.
    All governements are terrorist.
    Al Quada and Taliban were funded by the US through the CIA.
    The PLO was funded by the US through the CIA even though the CIA was supposed to be on Israel's side in fighting the PLO, and PLO was listed as a terrorist group by the US terrorist department.
    Operation Condor, which put Right-Wing Augusto Pinochet to power in Chile, Alfredo Stroessner in Paraguay, Basilio Lami Dozo, João Figueiredo, Jorge Anaya, Jorge Rafael Videla, and Leopoldo Galtieri in Argentina, and Hugo Banzer in Bolivia was an act of terrorism.
    The US nuking Japan was an act of terrorism.
    China supported the Khimer Rouge.
     
  20. nike

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    some more background about the capital-punishment /judicial murder under the de-facto government of the hamas:
    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50928
    http://www.amnesty.org/fr/node/16081
    truly spoken and 101 % agreed.
    saudi arabia did it too - like everybody else with an interest in "peace and stability" (or whatever else) in the region, and the scale and significance of the more or less covered support will forever be a secret amongst professional "specialists" in foreign relations...
    do you mean the money and training for the palestine "presidential guard" - in my eyes just another try to gain influence and an opportunity to control what's going on via creating an elite within the state in question.
    Monroe doctrin (1823!!!) anybody? since then the u.s. has "intervened" more than 100 times in south- and middleamerica:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
    difficult to argue about, i tend to call it a war crime - the japanese warfare between 1931 and 1945 wasn't really an invitation to accept international humanitarian law - on the other hand the u.s. sabotaged any capitulation agreement by leaving the "tenno"-question open, while parts of the tokio-government already asked for peace via the soviet diplomacy.
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a perfect in-vitro experiment of the u.s.-military (like airforce-general lemays bombing campaign after the fall of saipan and ivo jima) and a demonstration of power towards the soviets, who became a bit too ambitious for trumans taste after chasing out the german fascists so successfully in europe.
    interesting thing i found some days ago:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhabinod_Pal
    and some gruesome reading:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
    the u.s. supported the fascist regime of lon nol after replacing sihanouk with the u.s.-trained general, he still lives in exile in california.
    the u.s. supported ho chi minh and the viet minh 1945 against the japanese, after that the french colonial army against the viet minh and after that the "american war" caught flame, supporting the saigon regimes against the northvietnamese - openly breaking the french/vietnamese peace agreements of geneva 1954.
    the history of these coalitions and the-end-justify-the-means-diplomacy are really more than absurd, even if they would ever have been successful... and mostly they never were. :o
     
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