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Is there a right answer?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by AntiMatter, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. AntiMatter

    AntiMatterNew Member New Member


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    Scenario: the future of the planet has been threatened. The government and private corporations have teamed up to fund the relocation of thousands to another planet. Only 300,000 can go. They must decide whether to use a lottery system or to decide who survives based on what they can contribute to the new world. Is a lottery system wrong? On one hand, it is democratic and fair. On the other hand, the new planet could end up being populated by persons under-qualified to start a new world. Should the authorities CHOOSE who will survive based on skill, intellect, and potential?

    Might I add that the planet is a clone of earth, so humans can live there without a problem. The main issue is sorting out the people and how to go about that. Any help is apprechated. Thanks comrades :D
     

  2. SurgeryXdisaster

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    Re: Is there A right ansyer?

    In this scenario, with no other options, the lottery would be the "better" choice. Humans survived for centuries without being "qualified." And the lottery including everyone on earth's name (including the government and private corporations) would be the "most ethical" between the two.
     
  3. vAsSiLy77

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    the techniques and methods to determine "qualification" are at best still in their child shoes - so looking for "geniusses" will most likely end up with a bunch of weirdos capable of isolated talents - but nothing more, and most likely completely useless.
    it would be more important to find as many "allrounders" - people with many different, maybe less developed skills and talents - as possible and back them up with people with strong social skills - just imagine what it means to survive after the whole human race has died, including the people you know and love with bad luck in the lottery. there are some examples in history, some plane crashes in remote areas or natural catastrophes that have proved that the "best" aren't the best in dealing with a crisis - but ordinary people with the right sense.
    i think i would refuse to be chosen and have to leave family, friends and foes behind.
     
  4. antihuman

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    Re: Is there A right ansyer?

    If the lottery ends up choosing 300,000 morons, capitalists and fascists, is it more ethical to allow the only surviving humans to either die or create another self-destructive, oppressive society? The best answer would be to select people with wide-ranging skills necessary for survival, and who are educated about the mistakes and self-destructive tendencies of our civilization that led to its annihilation, so that they can avoid making the same mistakes in whatever society they form.
     
  5. antihuman

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    something else that would be important would be large genetic diversity, and pre-screening for any contagious or genetic diseases that could jeopardize the survival of the species. when it comes to the survival of the species, survival itself is more important than political correctness or so-called "moral" quarrels that could threaten humanity's very existence.
     
  6. snookams

    snookamsExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    no but there's a left answer
     
  7. Altruikus

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    Interestingly enough, the deontological answer (which is interesting, though I do not advocate it) would be to have nobody leave - that is, have everyone die. How selfless, and yet selfish! Doom all of humanity. Make a species extinct. This planet is supposed to be a clone of Earth, however, if it does not contain all the same organisms, even the bacteria, then there would be no symbiotic relationships, and all the humans would die anyway... but for the sake of argument I think the point being made is that the planet is completely inhabitable for humans because all of the other organisms are already there.
    One may argue that it seems that humans are to blame for the initial problem altogether, destroying the ecosystem and polluting the planet, driving all the other organisms to extinction. Of course, this isn't everyone's fault, or even those who might actively commit crimes against the Earth because they are, like serial killers, products of a twisted capitalist society.
    One thing is for certain, people cannot be able to buy there way onboard, and that goes for CEOs etc. (They're argument for going would probably be that their private interests funded the project) I would suggest that the government and state be abolished, because if it isn't, then the same shit that happened on Earth is going to happen on this new planet.
    If the government was disbanded, then it would be more likely that more people could contribute to working on producing this monster spacecraft, or another one... maybe more people could be saved this way. But at any rate, the lottery system would be the fairest. And yes, there would be people who are greedy that are selected, but a hell of a lot less than if an authoritarian body selected who was going... what's more, I think that the people who are lottery selected under a democratic ideal would be less willing to reestablish a new government once the planet is settled.
     
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