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Is it racist to name your pet "Blackie"?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by The Hat, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. The Hat

    The HatExperienced Member Experienced member


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    I go to a bar that hosts an open mike with great frequency, and perform.
    On one wall is a picture of memorable customers who have passed away.
    One of these pictures is of a person who's politics leaned pretty far to the left of center. (Not quite an anarchist, or even a socialist, but somebody who, in their own way, fought or social justice, racial equality, and animal rights)
    This persons two main passions in life was legalizing marijuana, and horses.
    She participated in horse rescues, and was well enough off to adopt a few for herself.
    The picture of her hanging on the customer memorial wall is her standing next to a black stallion named "Blackie".
    Anybody who knew her personally knows that this person was not racist in any way, shape, or form, but now one of the hosts of the open mike has proclaimed that name her horse "Blackie" was/is an act of racism.
    This person didn't even know her.
    She's been dead for ten years, and cannot defend herself from beyond the grave.
    Her closest friend had tried to reason with the open mike host that this was not an act of racism and was being too sensitive, and was reading too much into it.
    When people who knew the woman in question defended her, and backed up what her friend had been telling the host, she basically had a meltdown.
    She has since quit hosting the early Sunday evening open mike, and is posting on facebook that people who patronize this bar, and attend/perform at the open mike are "Racists".
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    In response to all of this happening, last time I was at the open mike in question, I decided to do "White Punks on Hope" by Crass, as a spoken word piece.

    Now, to be fair, I am probably the only punk rocker that attends this open mike and performs on a regular basis, so most people there don't listen to punk rock, let alone know about a band like Crass.

    But as soon as I said "The N word" people started to question where I stand on the subject of racism.
    They didn't even bother to listen to the context that this word was being used. They just heard the word, ignored everything else, and made assumptions.

    And the worst part of it is that people didn't have the courage to directly confront me. They talked about me behind my back. At least there was one other person who was familiar with Crass, and tried their best to defend me, and educate people. Now some people are calling HIM a racist. (This man is actually part of the local ANTIFA, and has been know to get into physical confrontations with racist skinheads in the past)

    SO do any of you that have a black dog or a cat name them "Blackie"?

    Do people accuse you of being racist because of this?

    I hope not.
     

  2. The Hat

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    I should also mention that the picture in question had a plaque with the horse's name on the bottom of it.

    Before the night was over, somebody stole the plaque off the picture. When the bar find the person who stole that plaque, they will be permanently banned.
     
  3. Charger Bullet

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    It is mentally deranged hippies like those you described that are a hindrance to stamping out actual racism. The rightwing fucks love to showcase the hippies' extreme "PC" nonsense and use it to lump everyone else that is against racism with them. It is a PR battle of sorts and they use those useless idiots to their advantage.

    Maybe they prefer to go after what they perceive as low-hanging fruit because it is much easier than fighting actual racism and racists. They are against violence, after all (and would just rather call the pigs and have them dish out the violence).
     
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  4. The Hat

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    The people in question aren't what I'd call "Hippies". They're actually Millenials, and self appointed Social Justice Warriors (Read PC Thugs) and, considering their reactions, and the drama they brought, "Snowflakes". The person who owned the horse WAS a hippy, (And before she dropped out of main stream society, was actually a clerk in Judge Julius Hoffman's office) Her friend who defended her still identifies as a hippy.

    However, that being said, your response is very sound and speaks the truth.

    What bothers me is, in my own personal experience, this is a throwback to McCarthyism, and is a very dangerous slippery slope.

    What's even worse is that one of the people who was offended at my reading of White Punks on Hope hosts the Tuesday Night Blues Jam at the bar in question, and they decided to cancel the jam this past Tuesday. I wish that this person would've just sat down with me and engaged in open dialogue with me instead of reacting the way they did. I just hope they don't go spreading rumors about me.

    I'm not too worried though, since most of the people at the bar, especially all the bar tenders, and most of the Sunday Night Open Mike patrons know me personally, and know I'm not a racist.

    I think this Sunday maybe I'll recite some Langston Hughes, and possibly cover Bad Words by The Circle Jerks, and The Brews by NOFX. (I'm Jewish, and I would just love to see somebody accuse me of anti-Jewish sentiments)

    Thanks for your response. I hope this will be a start to a wider dialogue amongst the members of this forum.
     
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    I'm sorry, but your link doesn't work.

    Could you explain your position/opinion?
     
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    UPDATE: I read Langston Hughes, but didn't get to finish. It might have something to do with the fact that I got into character when doing so. I wrestled with weather or not I should even read any of it, but I thought the moral of the story was more important than how I read it. It was a story about a black taxi driver in New York City who didn't want to pick up a white southern gentleman due to his experiences in the army in Mississippi, and how a white cop sympathized with the cab driver because he was Irish, and remembered what the British did to his family.

    Not only was I thrown off the stage before I could finish the story, the host of the open mike screamed in my face not to say the N word again or I'd be banned. I tried to explain to him the context that the word was used, and I even offered to show him the lyrics to White Punks On Hope so he could see for himself. He was having none of it, so I asked him sarcastically if he preferred the censored version of Huckleberry Finn, and then he blew up in my face saying I was "Making excuses". I took my guitar, crossed myself off the list, and stormed out. The bartender who read that racist, divisive, polarizing internet screed, and the open mike host have chased away a loyal customer of 20 years. I am never going back to The Gallery Cabaret ever again until these two people are no longer employed there.

    BANNED FROM THE GALLERY? OK!
     
  8. 1xAntifa

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    I get your point, but context means little in this age of soundbite sized attention spans. Being an olldie, I freely admit that I don't get where millenials are coming from or the language they use. I was flummoxed by queefing until my daughter explained it to me, much to my embarrassment. I think it's the generation gap. Whilst we grew up with Crass or the Young Ones for example and get where they're coming from, millenials don't. And I get that as well. My parents were appalled at my taste in music, dress and the mohawk I sported. I'm sorry that your open mike was such a shitty experience, but we need to recognise that what was acceptable in our day may not be so today. The fact that they call out what they perceive as racism is a plus in my view. Not grasping the context simply means they are in the arrogance of youth stage, which they, as we did before them, will grow out of. I hope you find another open mike venue and maybe introduce your tunes with trigger warnings if needs be i.e. this is a song by a righteous band but it contains the n word, rather than springing it on people unannounced. As for calling the horse blackie, I see it as using an adjective as a name, rather than racist per se. I christened our little dog anarchy [annie for short] because she doesn't recognise anyone's authoritee! The times they are a changin.
     
  9. The Hat

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    Actually, before reciting the lyrics to White Punks on Hope I DID warn them that it could trigger something within them, so I gave them fair warning. They still only heard the N word and ignored the rest.

    That being said, I appreciate your response, and comments. Now maybe the bartender will read up on the history of the Irish, and the open mic host will actually find out who Langston Hughes was. (Still won't set foot in the place until they're sacked, though)
     
  10. 1xAntifa

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    Actually, before reciting the lyrics to White Punks on Hope I DID warn them that it could trigger something within them, so I gave them fair warning. They still only heard the N word and ignored the rest.

    That being said, I appreciate your response, and comments. Now maybe the bartender will read up on the history of the Irish, and the open mic host will actually find out who Langston Hughes was. (Still won't set foot in the place until they're sacked, though)[/QUOTE]

    Fair cop. I think your bartender needs to read up on the whole concept of whiteness and who has been excluded then included as it has changed drastically over time. Being of Jewish and Scots/Irish descent I've never fitted into being white. I got into strife at university after an outburst against anglo-saxon pig justice, where they were extolling the virtues of the common law. Then I got slurred as an anti-semite for wearing a free Palestine badge by zionist lecturers despite the fact that I'm Jewish enough to have had a ticket on the one way express for gassing. Some people cannot see past their noses. Hope you find another open mike that is intelligent enough to get where you're coming from. My wife is a muso [folkie] and open mikes are a valued outlet for her so I sympathise.
     

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