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How are people called who follow Emma Goldmans Ideology?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Utopian, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. Utopian

    UtopianExperienced Member Experienced member


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    Just curious,how do you call people who follow Goldman? I get looked funny when i say that im an anarchist,people are just like ah you arent worth my time,when i was an socialist they at least say oh really and they started to talk about politics but now its just ah anarchists ignore.
    are there any names like for people who follow karl marxs are called marxsist,what about emma goldman?
     

  2. ungovernable

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    Anarcho-feminists
     
  3. Utopian

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    what about syndicalism,do anarchist like syndicalist's
     
  4. Veganarchy

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    Agree, Emma Goldman was more or less the first person to connect anarchism and feminism. Also, she didn't wrote a manifesto like Marx did, so therefor she doesn't "deserve" to get an ideology named after her (wich would also be pretty strange, since we believe in no leaders).

    About syndicalism, a lot of anarchists believe in that strategy, and see themselves as anarcho-syndicalists.
    I would recordment you to read about CNT/FAI and the spanish civil war.

    One way to avoid the "oh, your an anarchist...forget it... - thing" is simply to not adress yourself as an anarchist, unless people ask about it, and instead present your ideas and believes to them as the way you see the world.

    Sadly, anarchy and anarchism has a bad reputation, but information and openmindedness might be the key to change that.
     
  5. homegrown terror

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    i would take opposition with that concept. leaders are not masters:

    a master commands, a leader inspires.
    a master subjugates, a leader empowers.
    a master retaliates at criticism, a leader learns from it.
    a master demands respect, a leader earns it.
    a master rules through fear, a leader leads by example.
    a master collects serfs, a leader fosters new leaders!

    the biggest problem i see in the world is we have far too many of one, and woefully few of the other.
     
  6. THEBLACKNOVA

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    yes we are leaderless...

    and at the same time we are all leaders too.

     
  7. Veganarchy

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    @Homegrown Terror:

    Yeah, I completely agree with you. My point was, that anarchism is an ideology wich is centered around resistance against authority (at least economical and governmental, but for most anarchists also social), and not based on the words and ideas of one single person, such as Marxism is.
     
  8. butcher

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    well, i guess you could call yrself a Goldmanist/Goldmanite, but then you'd have to explain yrself anywayz...

    And I'm suprised you find people are willing to talk to you if you say yr a socialist, but not if you say yr an anarchist. Its often the case here that people are actually willing to talk to you precisely because you are not in some shitty socialist/trot party, especially on uni campuses. Everyone is so fucking sick of being badgered by the newspaper salesmen, and that one (different yet the same somehow) arrogant, self-righteous trot prick you always seem to get in yr tutorials.
     
  9. punkmar77

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    They are called "followers" :lmao:
     
  10. JesusCrust

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    Anarcha* :)
     
  11. ungovernable

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    Definatly. Anarcho-syndicalism is one of the biggest school of thought in anarchism. I consider myself anarcho-syndicalist.

    Like others said, check out on wikipedia for the spanish civil war, IWA, CNT, etc

    In anarchism there's no cult of personality and none of the thinkers got an "-ist" ideology following their personnality... There is no such thing as Chomskysm, Malatestaism (it's synthesism), Prudhonism (it's mutuellism), Makhnovism (it's platformism), Kropotkinism (it's anarcho-communism), etc...

    And i'm sure those anarchists would hate that we build an idology based on their personnality like marxists did with marx...

    Also, I see anarchism as a whole, with a lot of different ideologies. You can't really take just one and base everything on it.
    Sure, Goldman wrote a lot of stuff about feminism and some basic stuff on anarchism, but it lacks a lot of more complete theories on the organisation of society, that's where other anarcho-communists and anarcho-syndicalists theoricians come useful.

    That's why I like synthesism. You just take good points from all anarchist thinkers and build your own ideology within it. After all, anarchism isn't supposed to be a manifesto with a set of rules and Anarchism 101 to follow like a political dogma.
     
  12. homegrown terror

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    it's like the old joke: how many anarchists does it take to change a lightbulb? answer: none, because one will argue that bakunin says to turn it clockwise, while kropotkin says to turn it counter clockwise, and they'll never get the old bulb out of the socket. just take the work of philosophers as inspiration, and draw your own conclusions.
     
  13. butcher

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    Yes, but the question posed in the thread title is 'how are people called who follow Emma Goldman's ideology?'
     
  14. punkmar77

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    On your Apple Iphone of course...
     
  15. ungovernable

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    That's why i answered anarcha-feminists and not goldmanism, just like followers of Kropotkin are anarcho-communists and not kropotkinists :p
     
  16. butcher

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    how did you know? Darn reptiles.

    well, if one was to base one's 'ideology' on Goldman than they would surely be deemed Goldmanists/Goldmanites. To be more specific, I think Goldman offered something towards anarchist praxis, hence why I would, should I identify with Goldman's politics, call meself an anarchist; nevertheless if I was to say that Goldman offers an ideological vision of our social reality, I may identify as a Goldmanist, which is the way in which the central question of the thread is framed. I have problems with that framing, yet, directly, my answer is correct literally, yet incorrect politically... ;)

    Moreover, I disagree that Marxist thought has anything to do with Marx's 'personality'. It may have a bit more to do with his texts, yet, clearly, most of what passes as 'Marxist' nowadays, particularly shit spewed by Leninist (and so on) scum, is the worst kind of reactionary filth.
     
  17. Danarchy

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    I find it interesting that you would even be having doctrine based discussions. Why? Whenever I have been asked, I choose not to define myself as anything because Anarchism is not a political program, it is a philosophy. When I discuss labour strategy I consider syndicalism within the context of anarchist principles, when I discuss business strategy I consider communalism and mutualism within the context of anarchism; at no time do I need to bother/ waste time explaining/ defending anarchism, instead I am free to discuss tactics that can be employed in a particular situation without branding the tactic. For example, Noam Chomsky espoused many anarchist principles in his writing and lectures for many years without labelling himself.

    That said, if I feel that I am speaking with a particularily open/ curious individual I will refer them to specific anarchist literature and discuss philosophical anarchism but it is rare to have such discussions and always with people I have already developed a personal relationship with.
     
  18. Utopian

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    bad reputation,hm didnt know about that,if you ask me communism has way way worse reputation than anarchy
     
  19. Utopian

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    is it just me or do we all ignore punkmar i only replay to his post just because i fell so sorry for him
     
  20. punkmar77

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    Yeah its just you...save your pity for yourself. :lmao:
     
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