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Guns and anarchist society

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by ungovernable, May 16, 2010.

  1. butcher

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  2. punkmar77

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    Again people Ben has said openly that he is 13 years old and suffers from ADHD and something else which escapes me at the moment...I think he has come a very long way in a short period of time, but he still at times shows naivety in his comments...cut him some slack.
     
  3. vAsSiLy77

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    Errrm - dunno if I get it right rightnow, but Ben wasn't meant at all and suffering from everything between green pox and a chronical authority-problem including a serious adaption disorder (my last school-psychological report) I don't give a shit about how some ignorant professional calls Ben's little extra - and i agree:
    Ben manages better and better, he learns fast and has his own ideas, sometimes he seems to be a bit moody, but that's allright with me because he listens and responds to arguments -
    and he won the circle-A-quizz! :ecouteurs:

    but this "smart" boyalex-guys blabla of sacrificial martyrdom and the immortality of a dead and gone hero of the cause (or whatever else) just gives me the shits, especially after reading some more details about charlie manson's way to talk one of his boys into suicide:
    you can't die if you aren't afraid to die blabla - and the guy promptly blew his own head off, too bad that charlie was wrong...
    and this kind of bullshits needs kinda special response, the last thing I need is some zombie dragging his jesses-fixation all around!
    No, i don't really like pacifist martyrs, but the lions did in ancient rome:
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  4. nike

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    indeed i meant what i wrote and being an utopian in these rough times is far more smarter & conscious of the realities & the meaning of being a human anarchist than those weirdheads putting their personal issues, ignorance and misanthropy into some nightmare-ism and selling it as "anarchism".
    oh yesss, i suffer heavily from adhd, abc, usa including usmc, nato, brd, cdu, eu and worst of all:
    A.C.A.B! poor me! :ecouteurs:
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  5. Bentheanarchist

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    I don't suffer from ADHD; I am proud of having ADHD.
     
  6. nike

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    i have to admit that i never managed to listen when they tried to explain me why i was always jumping up&down... :ecouteurs:
     
  7. smartboyalex

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    If you had to have restrictions then you would need authority to enforce restrictions defeating the purpose of anarchy, violence is necessary to release the naturally occurring aggression everyone has, but life is really the one thing to be valued so lethal weapons should not be owned. If you are willing to die for your ideals then they cant change you through violence, if they kill you anyway then they are just proving to the masses that they are fascists and turning you into a martyr.
     
  8. smartboyalex

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    I dont believe in martyrdom. Charlie Manson is fucking insane and you need to quit being so cynical. Argue with me dont put down my thoughts
     
  9. vAsSiLy77

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    yours an anarchist? how about quitting telling people what they need?
    for a start a bit about cynics in ancient greece:
    each and every statements of yours is just ridiculous - or false as a cynic would say:
    are they cursed, have a living/a will of their own or are they possessed by manipulating forces speaking to us? what about: kitchen knives, bare hands and other means of the average murder - and the worst weapon of all: long fingernails!
    so what about societies with laws? are they safe?
    followed by:
    and "cannot be allowed" would be anarchy?
    so according to you lethal violence isn't aggression to be released - and aggression isn't a everpresent part of our consciousness, a human trait sometimes quite handy and only to be released in rare cases, but normally easily controlled by our unique ability to evaluate and choose how to solve something?
    and killing an assailant in self-defence, or to protect other's, doesn't solves the problem if our right to live isn't respected?
    i guess other murderers will come and revenge the slain one... (sorry for the cynism - but my need is really great!)
    after i know a little bit about history, especially the history of the revolutionary movements and have some personal experience with militant action myself, i'm about to take this one personal:
    you are just a dumb and more than stupid asshole in my eyes, insulting every anti-fascist who died fighting fascism just because you are an ignorant idiot covering up personal cowardice and apathy.
    the will of the people isn't non-violent just because you need a cheap excuse for being an asshole, unlike you they were able to deal with reality and find their solutions - nothing relevant was ever achieved via non-violence, except maybe if used a temporary tactic to prevent massacres of unarmed people by the system you never would dare to face:
    finally:
    if you would have any clue about anarchism, i - my only authority - would try to argue with you about anarchism as a philosophy with the one and only purpose to show me that i am the one and only with the right to raise restrictions against everything that imposes restrictíons on me and those fellow humans who doesn't impose restrictions on me and my rights.
    but you are just using terms you never understood and come up with a ridiculous mess of excuses and your more than obvious lack of knowledge and basic understanding what life is. it's getting quite boring how stupid you are:
    and not surprising:
    and for the final i want to quote the extremist gobbledigooks too, it's more than necessary and damned adequat:
     
  10. RotCrust

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    Lil apple are you anti-gun? Just asking.
     
  11. vAsSiLy77

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    Indeed, aunt sally, she is! And she's quite a lot more:
    Applez! you are my favorite one and only almost olympic extremist - and my guitar heroine too!
    (And I would have added a pic again, but I fear yours hypocritical restrictions because anarchy is without authority an' rulez at all and chaos and stuffz!)

    Butt's by the ways:
    Aunt sally, are you hating cops? o_O
     
  12. RotCrust

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    Do I hate cops? Personally, I try to avoid the cops as much as I possibly can, the sight of a police car makes me cringe especially if I see several in a short span of time in an area where there is no need for such police presence. Hate makes me think of "rage" though and while the police in general disgust me, I would waste a lot of time sitting around being "radically angry" and getting my face caved in for trying to slap a cop silly to prove how real deal radical I am. I prefer to deal with things rationally...
     
  13. nike

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    ull abouts non-aggressive behaviors i guess, sitting around dealing with things rationally:
    behave well and everythings gonna be allright - at least it should be - in fairy land.
    but dont worry baby, the cops sleep tonight!
     
  14. Bentheanarchist

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    Guns aren't the cause of crime and violence and murder. Society and the state are.
     
  15. grinding hault

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    When guns were invented a line was crossed and we can't really go back. Now that guns exist I think it's pretty safe to say it's impossible to terminate their existence. I'm personally against guns but their isn't much me, or anyone else who shares that belief, can do about it. People have guns to protect themselves against other people with guns. The only reason guns exist is because guns exist. It's a pretty absurd and destructive phenomena, and its essentially no different than the manufacturing of nuclear weapons. Countries build them because other countries have them. and so on and so forth.

    That's definitely going to be a hard thing to weed out. I've gone over it a lot in my head too. I'm not sure if I trust the american people any more than the government.
     
  16. vAsSiLy77

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    guns are just a relatively new product of a technological evolution which started in the moment one of our prehistoric ape-like ancestor grabbed a stone to open a nut or to attack a predator, some 2 million years ago.
    it's one of the unique abilities of primates to cope for their physical deficits via a TOOL - which might turn out to be a weapon - even today's chimpanzees use sticks to move things AND to attack a leopard - guess on the youtubes is a clip showing an experiment with a stuffed leo ending up headless and beaten into a pulp.
    i strongly support gun control, but in my eyes it isn't the weapon that kills, its the mind /the absence of a mind controlling the finger on the trigger - and again: you don't need a gun to kill.

    the us-nuclear production and the resulting nuclear arms race was an answer to the konventional superiority of the warzaw pact over the nato in europe. "the west" was economically unable to cope with "the east" in the number of tanks, artillery and air forces - so they used nuclear weapons as a cheap way of deterrence and held an advantage for quite some time.
    try to get "fog of war" a documentary about robert mcnamarra (secretary of defence under kennedy and lbj, known as the manager of the vietnam war, he talks very openly about the dangers that arose and the dead-end the nuclear deterrence produced - especially during the cuba-crisis. it's almost amazing and he gives facts and insider views en masse.
     
  17. grinding hault

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    Well of course you don't need the gun to kill but the gun sure makes killing a hell of a lot easier and less personal. Point, click, dead. I'd say atleast a good majority of people who were murdered with guns would still be alive if their killers had to actually stab them repeatedly or beat them to death while staring them directly in the eyes and watching them die, and with full knowledge of the magnitude of what they were doing. The same goes for people dropping bombs out of a plane onto innocent civilians. There's no personal contact. They're just hitting targets on a screen like a video game, which makes it a lot easier to forget that you just blew a bunch of children to pieces.
     
  18. exploited casualty

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    i'm in the UK so we have little need for guns, most folk fight with bottles or knives, so they don't affect me at all. but if i'm honest, it's too easy. when the trigger is pulled there is no going back. same with a knife i guess...i fight with my fists, i only use my fists because i like fair fights.
     
  19. Sick Boy 77

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    OK. I for one like to shoot guns. I don't kill things but I just like the feel of it when it goes bang. I am against the white nationalist and fascists owning one. It is a very hard decision for the normal everyday person though. There are always the ones that say "Guns belong in the hands of responsible people" but then who or how do we know if a person is responsible enough to own a gun. Then there is always the defense debate. You need them for self defense if someone is pointing one at you. Well, then again if we had ways of keeping the guns out of the hands of the ass-holes in the first place then we wouldn't need them for self defense now would we? I don't know. I haven't shot my gun in over a year so.... yeah.
     
  20. Anarcho-Edge

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    If you ask me, the community should democratically decide if it's a smart decision to give someone a gun
     
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