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Getting older and the way you dress.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Sick Boy 77, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. The Hat

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    The line "Never trust a hippie" is from the song "Who Killed Bambi" from The Sex Pistol's film The Great Rock and Roll Swindle. It's about the loss of innocence, and symbolically the death of punk. (But punk never really died, though, but it was indirectly about how it got commercialized)

    I never had any problems with biking, but at the time I was a skate boarder. I'm too old for that now. Last time I got on one, I fell and damaged my left wrist, and dislocated a few bones in my left hand. I'm much better now, since the doctor was able to put them back in place, but I never got on a skateboard after that for fear of not ever being able to play guitar again. Usually it was when I was just walking down the street that people would hassle me. They'd wait until I was crossing a street, or cutting though a gas station.

    Sorry to hear that you can't ride a bike anymore. It's good exercise, but I don't ride anymore either since I heard one can actually get prostate cancer from it. Something about the seats, and how one sits. Perhaps it's all that straddling. I really don't know.
     
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    Never heard of the prostate thing. Fingers crossed that I won't, I've got enough health issues as it is. Have just been to the big shitty to see a neurosurgeon about another op on my spine. My doc has just informed me that it is now a lifelong condition that will continue to degenerate and there is nothing that can be done about it. I'm now eligible for a permanent disability parking permit and am never likely to get my license back due to health reasons. My wife has to do all the driving now.

    As far as the commercialisation of punk goes McClaren was a fine one to talk. Remember Bow Wow Wow or that Buffalo Gals abomination that ripped off Grandmaster Flash among others? Or the court battle the Pistols had to go through to regain control over their work? He really was a douchebag.
     
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    Yeah, my mother's husband has to do all the driving now, and has done so for quite a few year because my mother can't drive to to her health issues. (Should be out of hospital this weekend. I got my fingers crossed)

    Don't know about the Buffalo Gals abomination, but, at least steal from the best, if you're gonna steal. (LOL!) I remember all the hoopla concerning The Pistols lawsuit against Malcolm very clearly. John Lydon goes into it in great detail in his first book (I think it No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs, but I'm not sure that's the proper order)
     
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    Here's hoping for your mum. It must have been quite serious for her to be hospitalised this long. I was only kept for 48 hours for my spinal surgeries. Once they could see I could walk the day after the surgery, I was out of there the next day, which suited me fine. They just won't let you sleep, always waking you to check this or that or shovel meds down your throat. Drove me spare.

    What got me with the Buffalo Gals was McClaren being touted as a genius and the media not even acknowledging his sources. He visited here in the 90's to attend the Sydney Art Biennale and the glitterati were positively creaming their collective undies over the shyster, you felt the bile rise to see it.

    Both of Lydons books are good reads. It's unfortunate that with this Brexit bullshit he's become anti-immigrant, which is funny considering he's living stateside and is a US citizen now.
     
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    Well, it looks like they might release her from the hospital this Saturday, and she's glad to be coming home. Hip surgery, especially for an 80 year old woman, is not an easy walk in the park, so they had to do lots of physical therapy.

    I don't really know who's a worse charlatan, Malcolm or Vivianne Westwood. Cash from chaos indeed!

    I never really sussed if Lydon was actually serious about his support for Brexit, or if he was being ironic and sarcastic. After all, this was a person who back in 2016 appeared on a U.S. late night talk show with PIL and at the end of his set proclaimed that nobody should vote for Trump. (He is known for having a twisted sense of humor which sometimes gets taken a bit too seriously)
     
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    Yup, hip replacement will do it. My mum's second husband had both his hips done in his early seventies. You'll find that your mum will tire easily and have pain management issues to start with. She will need to be encouraged to walk to get things working again and then she'll come good.

    As far as the shonkiest goes, it has to be Westwood. McClaren had his 15 minutes and was basically a joke by the mid 80's. Westwood is still flogging outfits to the rich, dumb and tasteless today.

    Lydon is tricky. You can never quite tell if he's serious, being provocative or simply taking the piss. I do get the sens that he doesn't like eastern European immigrants and he has fairly definite ideas of who and what constitutes Britishness, but I could be wrong. The jury is still out on that one. What did impress me about him was him putting PiL on hold whilst he raised his step-daughters {Ari Up from the Slits] children. The reformed PiL records ain't half bad either.
     
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    It's been like that since her knee replacements years ago. Probably have a therapist visit the home every day or every other day to help her move around and do some basic exercises. She's been sleeping in her chair for quite a few years now. It's an automatic recliner, and quite comfortable. She hasn't been able to get up on her own power in years, so she needs help when not in the chair. Trust me, I've been through this drill already.

    Still never saw Jubilee which might be the only good thing viv ever put out. At least Malcolm pretended to have a self depreciating humor about himself when it came to shameless self promotion. (Remember "Duck Rock"?)

    I never really sensed that he had an prejudice towards any Eastern Europeans, but this is a man who loves watching the daily changing of the guards, and is fascinated by the pomp and pageantry of the royals. Didn't know he was a grandfather, but then again I really don't know what Ari Up was up to after The Slits. (Good band. R.I.P. Ari) Imagine being her step father. That in and of itself must've been interesting to say the least. I still think the first albunm is the best.
     
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    Jubilee, wasn't that the Derek Jarman flick? If so save yourself the bother. Unless you approach it as some sort of high camp joke, it is a low budget piece of garbage that equates punk with nihilistic destruction. I watched it on vid in the 90's. It was sick in the negative sense.

    McClaren knew he was a carpet-bagger who got lucky. Westwood however still thinks she's an artiste, when actually she's just a plain run of the mill bullshit artist.

    Our John's second book Anger is an Energy goes into some detail about Ari and her kids. Simply put, Ari never grew an adult brain and should not have sprogged as she wasn't up to the responsibilities of being a parent. My own father was like that so I can relate. The kids were essentially feral when the Lydon's got them and it took a lot of love and hard yards to sort them out. He feels he succeeded in that

    You're right about the pomp and ceremony. He is quite nationalistic in his own way and it's a joke to hear him bang on about being working class now he's a multi-millionaire. Working class roots definitely, working class now? I think not. Given that a major component of Brexit is about immigration, in particular east European, and border control, and Lydon is firmly in the leave camp with his own narrow ideas about British-ness, it's not hard to reach that conclusion. I just wish I could remember where he said it.

    That 1st Slits album is a classic and deserves shelf space in any punk collection.

    Here's to your mum's speedy recovery. She is lucky to have you.
     
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    I'd approach it the same way I approached The Great Rock and Roll Swindle. Campy humor with a decent music soundtrack but not to be taken seriously. (They DID have some good music on the soundtrack IMHO)

    Yeah, I just read online that Viv has received the "honor" of D.B.E. (Dame of the Grand Order of The British Empire) amongst other accolades.

    Still haven't read Anger is An Energy yet, but most certainly want to. Shan Ari wasn't up to the task of raising kids. I've been so damaged that I know for a fact that I'm unfit. As far as I know I don't have any kids. (At least nobody's sued me for a paternity or blood test)

    Nah, Johnny hasn't been working class in years, and it seems to me the life of a celebrity suits him, for better or for worse. He did do some nature shows a while back so he's got my respect there, and even though I think his adverts for Country Life Butter were funny, it's still a bit of a sell out.

    I remember a few years back he was on some British morning talk show talking about Brexit, and when asked about it he said something to the extent that he was working class, and since the working class support Brexit he does too. I don't know if it was a wind up or sarcasm. Considering he told people not to vote for Trump, I thought he was having a go, but who really knows.

    My mother is out of the hospital and on her way back home now. Thanks for the kind words.
     
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    Glad your mum's home safe and sound.

    I too felt too badly damaged by the various forms of abuse that both my parents inflicted upon my brothers and I. I decided at 17, based on my parents example, that some people should not have children, and I haven't in the biological sense.Two of my brothers grew up to become abusers themselves, whilst my other two brothers like myself managed to find some sort of stability, get married and have their own kids,unlike me.Both my kids are technically my step-children [but I love them as my own] from my wife's first marriage. I didn't attempt to replace their father and we've always been on a first name basis, there was a steep learning curve involved for me. So believe me, I get where you're coming from.

    From memory, there is very little, if any, music in Jubilee, so it falls flat in that regard as well. It's basically a curio from that time and 90 minutes you'll never get back. Satisfy your curiosity by all means, but don't say you haven't been warned lol :). Swindle is the far better flick.

    The butter ads helped finance the reformation of PiL, so yes it was a bit of a sell-out, but one with a definite motive musically, than for filthy lucre alone. It was the 90-'s reformation tour of the Pistols that got up my nose. Why they did it except for the $$$ is beyond me. I had the chance to see them, and gave it a brief thought, until I decided it was just a nostalgic cash cow for them. I don't regret making that decision. There are some legacies that shouldn't be fucked with [Gilmour's Floyd or the 89 reunion of Jefferson Airplane].

    Lydon is actually very serious in his working class rhetoric. He's not joking.










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    Being that my mother's second husband was/is a right bastard not only can I not have children due to what he's done to me mentally, emotionally, and sometimes physically, but I can't even be more than friends with single mothers. I know what it's like for a total stranger to come into one's life and assume the role of authority when you didn't ask for it, didn't want it, and you didn't like or respect the person to begin with. I simply can't do that to another child.

    Maybe they didn't use much music in the film Jubilee, but there was music, and even a soundtrack to the movie, which includes Adam and The Ants, Chelsea, Wayne County and The Electric Chairs (Later known as Jayne County) and Brian Eno, to name the more well known bands/musicians. And it has Richard O'Brien and Little Nell from Rocky Horror in it as well. Even Toyah Wilcox has a part in it. (Non musical, I believe. I didn't know she later was one of the Teletubbies) Reading the plot and summation of the film, it seems like something I'd enjoy, but, then again, I like cheap and campy. It can't be any worse than Hazel O'Conner's Breaking Glass, (Which I thought started out great, but I didn't like how it ended) or Rude Boy, which, while the concert footage of the early Clash was great, and had a good plot line, and some good messages about racism, I thought, in the end was just a self serving promotional vehicle for a band past their prime at that point. (Thank god they didn't go into all the London Calling crap)

    As for the Pistols reunion, unfortunately I didn't get to see it.

    I thought it rather curious that when I was listening to them in 78, everybody told me I was mad, punk was a fad that nobody would remember, and that my taste in music basically "sucked", and then when they got back together the tickets sold out before I could get one. I did get the concert C.D. Filthy Lucre Live which was the 96 Finsbury Park concert. Basically a live version of Never Mind The Bollocks. It sounds like Motorhead playing The Sex Pistols with Lydon on vocals. Lydon even openly admits that the only reason they did it was for the money. (At least he was honest) Being that The Sex Pistols was the first punk band I got into (Well, at least under the punk rock umbrella. The Beatles and The Who were punk but that term didn't exist yet) I really wanted to see them. Oh, well. There's still You Tube if I want to see live concert footage.

    And actually, J.A.'s short lived reunion back in 89 wasn't that bad. I didn't see any of their shows, but I heard the album that came out that year, and it was alright. No Surrealistic Pillow, mind you, but not bad for what it was.

    If Lydon is serious about supporting Brexit, that is very sad. Sounds like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth once again.
     
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    I do remember the Eno stuff [didn't know it was him though] in Jubilee but my memory has faded on the others,it was 30 years ago when I saw it. The first punk band I got into were the Stranglers with the Peaches single blowing my mind as a 15 y/o. I bought Rattus as soon as I saved the not inconsiderable sum of $7.99. I loved it and then it was the first two Banshee's lp's. They kind of lost it in the 80's though I thought Nocturne was pretty good. I was really pissed when that tape got chewed up.I could take or leave the Clash. I didn't buy any Clash lp's until the 90's. They were patchy at best in my humble opinion.

    I didn't pull any of the bullshit that was inflicted on me on my kids. I was always just their mum's new partner and I made sure that they knew that they could tell me to fuck off. I wouldn't be offended. The only thing I did insist on was doing some chores once a week. That was so they could be self sufficient as adults. I think I earned their respect and affection because I didn't pull any authoritarian crap. I remembered how much that shit from my father affected me, to want to repeat it.
     
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    It's only recently I've come to appreciate The Stranglers. There was something about them I didn't quite like when I first heard them. Never Mind the Bollocks was the first punk record I bought. It was Valentine's Day in 1978 and I snuck off school grounds during my lunch hour to buy it.

    Early Banshees are great, but I don't know much about them after Kaleidoscope. Siouxie's flirtation with fascism in the early days made me a bit nervous, but thank goodness she saw the error of her ways and apologized for it.

    I liked the early Clash, but they lost me at London Calling. I always thought there was something slightly dodgy about them. I think it was everybody was going on about how they were going to save punk after The Pistols broke up. I thought the first album was good, but it was standard cliche ridden meat and potatoes punk. Not bad, but not spectacular as the press and pundits would have one believe. Give 'em Enough Rope is my favorite though. After that, they no longer mattered.
     
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    First heard the Stranglers on a bus on my way to the refuge I was staying at on the way home from school. The radio had been playing disco and ABBA tunes when suddenly Peaches was played. I was sold there and then, especially with J.J.Burnel's growling bass.
    Nocturne was the only Banshee's you needed after Join Hands. It took the best bits of the intervening albums and presented them in one package. After that they were rubbish.

    Clash was basically hype, especially after they broke into the US scene, when they became MTV caricatures of punk. LC had a few decent songs but didn't sustain being a double lp. And the triple Sandanista set was just indulgent..
     
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