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Fav. Punk Band/Bands?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by MartinBastholm, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. Anxiety69

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    that wasn't really the point. 2 of their 4 major label albums i liked a lot (stranger than fiction, the gray race) and 2 of them are in my opinion the worst albums of their careers (no substance, the new america) i don't remember my point exactly, got caught up in a silly petty argument (but those are the best type, because no one's feelings are likely to get hurt or anything) and i don't feel like rereading the posts, but basically anyone who claims the offspring and green day are 'punk' don't know what they are talking about. I still stand by that. anyways, to each their own, anarchy is gray, not black and white.
     
  2. NGNM85

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    Not to beat a dead horse, but I said Green Day WERE punk (Past tense.). A few years back they reinvented themselves musically and stylistically, mutating into a stadium rock outfit that bears only a slight resemblance to their former selves. However, there really isn't any substantial reason why Offspring should not still be regarded as punk as the band has not really changed stylistically, musicially, etc. As far as I can see the major greivances are that they have been enormously successful (A capital crime in the punk scene.) and eventually signed to a major. I have real difficulty accepting these as hanging offenses, and niether, by themselves, negate the sufficient conditions for punk rock.
    I also resent the implication.
     
  3. Anxiety69

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    yawn i stated my reasons for disilikng offspring already in this thread, if you really care u can go back and read for it, but it's prolly better to just let it die... and i still say they aren't even the least bit punk, and that's my opinion, and i'm sticking with it.
     
  4. Ivanovich

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    Well for sure, punk does not mean 'anarcho'. In my mind, the 'spirit' of punk is in rejection of something conventional, often in a loud and aggressive manner (not necessarily music). That could be political, social, anything really, and could include the established recording industry, but it doesn't have to reject the latter to be 'punk'. So I have no problem calling Green Day, etc, punk, though I might add that it's not very good punk, in the same way that cheap wine from the local supermarket is still 'wine' (almost), and no doubt sells well, as you can still get drunk on it.
     
  5. NGNM85

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    Exactly. It comes down to the sufficient conditions of punk rock. Just off the top of my head, I'd say those conditions are the following;

    Bands formed at the birth of punk and afterwards, this could be debated, but by say, 1974, certainly, punk was firmly established.

    Music expressing in form or content a rebellious nature or a challenge to the status quo.

    Bands affiliating themselves with punk rock, or drawing inspiration from other punk bands.

    You could tweak it, but I think that about sums it up.

    This is a matter of taste, which is subjective. Although I think from 1,039 Smooth to Nimrod, Green Day were brilliant. As for the cheap wine comparison, while being extremely popular, I think one has to draw a distinction between them and other popular bands in that they wrote all their own material, and came out of the underground punk scene. However, this has all ben covered, already.
     
  6. Derek Danger

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    The ten I can think of right now (so probably not a complete or accurate list):

    Chumbawamba
    Poison Girls
    This Is Serious, Mum
    Spazz
    Crass
    BtMI!/ASOB
    Dead Kennedys
    Naked Aggression
    Asking For It
    Quincy Punx
     
  7. Lunadimae

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    Can we call Paramore punk now?

    And why do you defend Green Day so much? Why do you consider them punk (were)? I've seen them as pop-punk/college rock then they went emo-ish.
     
  8. persona-non-grata

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    you know what i don't really like green day but not because they are not punk enough just becose i don't really like their music it's a bit too soft for me but why do people shit on greenday for selling out ii mean wasn't punk about getting OUT of the gutter in the first place
     
  9. punkmar77

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    no, it is about celebrating the gutter :lmao:
     
  10. raindeer667

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    chumbawamba
    CRASS
    Suicidal Tendencies
    Antischism
    Sofahead
    Conflict
    Snifter
    Moral Suckling
    DIRT
    Primitive Tribes
    Disrupt
    KAAOS
    Chain of Strength
    Aus Rotten
    Black Flag
    etc, etc.
     
  11. Alex Distro-y

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    The MOB
    Easpa Measa
    Scatha
    Civil Disobedience
    Warvictims
     
  12. bgrass

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    Warzone
    Gorilla Biscuits
    Antischism
    CroMags
    Discharge
    Op Ivy
    Resilience
    Subhumans
    Youth Brigade
    Conflict

    Does my list make the cool punk kids cut?
     
  13. NGNM85

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    No, because they don't meet the sufficient conditions. As far as I can see, not that I pay much attention to them, they have no real connection to, and don't take any substantial influence from, punk rock.

    "Why do you defend them so much?" Well, I really don't have any personal drive to be a spokesman for the band, of any sort. My issue is people who have no idea what they're talking about authoritatively proclaiming this or that band is not punk for really stupid reasons.

    Why do I consider them punk? Because they were a punk band, up until they decided to become Queen or Air Supply or whatever. They're music is (Obviously) heavily inspired by the Ramones, the Buzzcocks, and other old-school punk bands. The members all met through the California punk scene, they played at the same venues as the Dead Kennedys, and label-mates Op Ivy, they toured with Bad Religion, etc. They took their musical style from earlier punk bands, came out of the punk scene, and frankly, remained essentially unchanged until the disastrous American Idiot. In short, they meet the sufficient conditions.

    Second, the criticisms have been for the most part universally stupid. I mean, what is the justification for arguing that they were not a punk band?
    Lots of People Like Them-Give me a break.
    They Sound Too Good- Well we certainly can't have that! I mean, god fucking forbid. I think the sarcasm should be clear. This is really stupid. Second, this is really following in the tradition of some of their biggest influences, like the Ramones and the Buzzcocks, I know they've covered the Ramones, I think they also recorded at least one Buzzcocks cover. I see Green Day as following most directly in the tradition of bands like the Ramones, Buzzcocks, the Damned and Gen X somewhat, the Dickies, that sort of thing.
    They Sing Songs About Love/Romance-Well, we're going to have to throw out the Ramones, Buzzcocks again, and dozens of other bands. Again, this is almost too stupid to respond to.
    They Signed to a Major-This is the most controversial, but it really shouldn't be. Signing to a major label, which didn't happen until, Dookie, mind, in no way, by itself, merits reclassifying a band as something other than punk. Sorry, cry me a river.
    Now, if they were put together by a major label, or radically changed their style upon signing to a major, or if said company was exercising substantial creative control, (Which isn't the case.) THEN you'd have a legitimate case.

    I'm just sick of the bullshit.
     
  14. j4v13r4o1

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    Crass
    Dead Kennedys
    The Exploited
    Discharge
    Charged GBH
    Conflict
    Subhumans
    Amebix
    Oi Polloi
    Aus-Rotten
     
  15. pezPwnage

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    Discharge
    The Germs
    Crass
    The Clash
    4 Skins
    Oi Polloi
    Battalion of Saints
    A Global Threat
    Krum Bums
    The Restarts
    DOA
    Reagan Youth
    The Varukers
    Mob 47
    and a shitload of others lol o_O
     
  16. Wonder138

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    i like your taste a lil bit of everything
     
  17. pezPwnage

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    haha thanks :p i try and listen to different things and not just the same thing cause sometimes it just gets boring.
     
  18. jjk3546

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    Disrupt
    Nausea
    Antischism
    Fear
    Martyrdod
    Misery

    At the moment anyway. And that's only the stuff that could be called punk beyond the shadow of a doubt. Otherwise I've been on a huge Southern Metal kick. Baroness, Thou, and Black Tusk namely.
     
  19. snookams

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    Crass
    Dead Kennedys
    Subhumans (Citizen fish, too)
    A//Political
    Conflict
    Negative Approach
    Born Against
    Zounds
    Clitboys
    Scream (early stuff, before Dave Grohl)

    many more etc etc blah blah blah
     
  20. Moss

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    Subhumans
    Aus Rotten
    Discharge
    Iskra
    Amebix
    Antisect
    Leftover Crack
    Crass
    Dropdead
    Black Flag
    Dead Kennedys
    Propagandhi
    Reagan Youth
    Eh, there's mre but those are most of my favourites.
     
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