Discharge and Subhumans playing at ultra-capitalist Festival

Kobac · May 6, 2013

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we can look this on bright side.we still have bands like Conflict,Behind enemy lines and lots of bands that didn t sell out...yet.Even then we ll ressurect like in 78 maybe stronger then ever.

xXZenyattaXx · May 6, 2013

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Nobody ↑ :
By the way, anyone hear the new Black Flag song? It's so fucking bad it's hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzgSSVKwqaw

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...what the hell was that?

ungovernable · Jun 8, 2013

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Discharge cancelled.

ungovernable · Jun 8, 2013

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ungovernable said:
Discharge cancelled.
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But i just learnt it's not because they think the fest is unethical it's just because they had problem to pass the borders...

ungovernable · Jun 12, 2013

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An article was published today in a quebec newspaper. It explains that local bands are NOT getting paid to play at the RockFest. They aren't getting any drink, food or camping spot. Instead, they must sell 50 tickets themselves or else they will be forced to pay 100$ for each of the unsold tickets. If they fail to sell rockfest tickets or pay for them, the organizers will sue them.

This is the worst festival i ever seen, i can't believe bands like Discharge and Subhumans didn't cancel. This bullshit is extreme capitalism.
Worst of all, Rockfest started a couple of years ago with local bands only. If it has success today, it is because of the local bands that were involved in the first editions.

Translation of the article with google translator (sorry about inaccuracy)

Nobody ↑ :
The Rockfest is willing to pay huge sums to bring the heavy cream in Montebello music, but is reluctant to pay the lesser known musicians.

The Rockfest is willing to pay huge sums to bring the heavy cream in Montebello music, but is reluctant to pay the lesser known musicians. Several courses in the Ottawa-Gatineau had this year and in the past, sign a contract stating that they will "no fee" in exchange for their performance at Rockfest. Or "meal, drink or victuals" elsewhere. In short, they will be satisfied with "visibility" that gives them the festival, from the outset the precise contract.

Alex Martel, founder of Rockfest in Montebello and president of Ottawa Rock announced last week it had sold 97% of tickets for the 2013 edition. According LeDroit learned that it requires many local and emerging training sell at least 50 tickets for the right to go on stage. At a rate of nearly $ 98 pass, it's about $ 4,900 each band by its mere presence, undertakes to deliver the event.

According to what is stipulated in the contract, all unsold tickets must be paid from the pockets of artists to fill the shortfall.

If fails to perform the group, the manufacturer reserves the right to prohibit members play and prosecute.

More than a half-dozen metal bands from around music deplored what they consider to be the part of the organizers, a blatant disregard for emerging artists. Afraid of being banned from future editions, they all spoke on condition of anonymity because the agreement they initialed forbade them to disclose any clause. However LeDroit could lay eyes on a contract for this edition of Rockfest: document corroborated the main grievances heard.

The pay to play

The method of "presale" Alex Martel applies cringe long succession invited to perform at Rockfest.

When questioned, the manager refused to talk about the terms of its contracts, arguing that "it is confidential information [...] which do not concern the general public."

The agreement that many emerging artists have signed with Ottawa Rock black and white that shows the time of their performance depends on the number of additional Notes - beyond the threshold of 50 - they have managed to sell in advance. They will benefit from a better time slot, or later in the evening.

Known by its English name of pay to play, the system of advance tickets is a relatively common practice in the world of underground music, admit the industry players, both organizers and musicians. But the concept of "pay to play" is used in a limited context, at events with small budgets, often held in bars.

In anticipation of collective concerts, this approach allows developers to engage the voluntary cooperation of groups that share appears, to ensure a minimum to attract people. And it is not uncommon for a group with a lot of pre-sold tickets get a place in the course of the evening. This trick, Alex Martel continuous practice, even if the festival, "starting from scratch" as he likes to remind us for eight years, has now become "one of the largest of its kind in Canada."

The Outaouais Rock contract may also impose temporal and territorial artists exclusives. And compel them to become actively involved and "significantly" in the promotion of Rockfest, including distributing flyers in their hometown and foaming event on the Internet. The eyes of the festival, "the emerging bands are useless, except to attract the world," concludes a singer who has already had the opportunity to perform there.
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Rebellious twit · Jun 12, 2013

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greedy capi pigs i fucking hope that this fesshitval turns out to be the shittiest event the announcers ever have made!

Joneh · Jun 15, 2013

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I agree with the only valid reason on playing this would have to be ignorance about the sponsors, otherwise its not right. And if thats the case wouldnt they be expected to not play when they get there and see the posters and adds and bullshit visual pollution? To be honest i just heard about this and until i read into it i was pissed off that i coudnt come close to being able to afford a ticket for me and my gf, +gas+food+drinks+camping+babysitter for the weekend + + + +! So i thought i was the man out on this one, my friends already made there way there and im sure theyll be happy to hear me bashing there good time when they return haha.
My gf had a good point, maybe itll be there way to push out "anarco" bands now they have helped build this thing from nothing, everyone knows punks will play for beer and a good time, so usuing us to kick this bullshit off untill they could grab some real sponsors and cash, then boot us out on our own moral values.
No dirty stinkin punks makes more room for your average jo alice cooper fan, and whoever else theyll be adding to the future bills. ozzy 2014? lol hows about some nickel back!! WOOO!!

Danarchy · Jun 19, 2013

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Nobody ↑ :
Hi Daniel, yes I saw the debate going on a few days ago and was pissed off at the facts, the charging locals to play and the corporate nature of it all

We took the verbal offer to get flown in to play 'a punk festival' several weeks before the flyer came through to show how out of our circle the event was, by which time they'd bought the tickets for us on the basis we'd pay for them if we didn't show up... So it was too late to back out. On the day the best I could do to create some counterbalance was mention these corporate sponsorships and general capitalist outlook in a coupleof radio interviews I did , and a bunch of conversations

I should of course have checked out the details way ahead of that, but the offer came at a point where I was doing gigs and booking others left right and centre- busy but at the cost of getting properly informed

I completely get where the complaints and disappointments are coming from, and can only say it wasn't a properly informed decision to play it, for which I feel, well, stupid and sheepish.

Another show in Canada would've been great, but to add to the misery we were told that no performing bands could play more Canadian gigs that same week...so we got the festival to pay for more flights so we could do two shows in New York

A learning curve except I'd been on it before and should've been more wary

Sorry for this, and hope I've reassured you a bit? Our heads are still where they were

Keep well

Dick
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This is the reply from Dick, Subhumans that explains their current predicament.

ungovernable · Jun 19, 2013

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Thanks for posting this. I understand their situation.

ungovernable · Mar 12, 2014

They just announced 2014 lineup.

Jello Biafra and Dead Kennedys will be playing. Also Earth Crisis and a couple of other anarcho bands. I'm very disappointed.
They will share the stage with shitty bands like Blink 182, Simple Plan and Billy Talent..

traqn dimitrov · Mar 12, 2014

dudes cool your asses alltoug i agree the fest is a shitbucket i would totaly sneak in to see some of the bands i started off with ( shity or not i still hold them dear) and wreck as much shit as posible so don't be mad at the bands they needto eat to

Kobac · Mar 12, 2014

I do not know what to think anymore about these bands...i understand that they need to eat, but you do not need to play every festival/gigs that comes in their way.from now on i will call this "getting older syndrome"

punkmar77 · Mar 12, 2014

Nobody ↑ :
dudes cool your asses alltoug i agree the fest is a shitbucket i would totaly sneak in to see some of the bands i started off with ( shity or not i still hold them dear) and wreck as much shit as posible so don't be mad at the bands they needto eat to
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I don't give a fuck who needs to eat, there are plenty of bands out there playing that eat just fine without playing corporate sponsored events and keeping their integrity, if you want to reward their activities and not feel guilty that is entirely your business, but don't tell me to "cool my ass" about this type of bullshit because that will only happen on the day that I die...abajo los vendidos de mierda. and of course Total Chaos is playing this too...

Havran · Mar 13, 2014

Well, you can't be surprised about Total Chaos

Spike one of many · Mar 13, 2014

There are 2 bands called Total Chaos that I'm aware of, one from the UK and one from the US. Anyone know which one is playing there?

punkmar77 · Mar 13, 2014

The fabulously douchey U.S. one...

Paczilla · Mar 13, 2014

ungovernable said:
They just announced 2014 lineup.

Jello Biafra and Dead Kennedys will be playing. Also Earth Crisis and a couple of other anarcho bands. I'm very disappointed.
They will share the stage with shitty bands like Blink 182, Simple Plan and Billy Talent..
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Im pretty sure the Dead Kennedys sold out way before this, but im disappointed in Jello.

NoGodsNoMasters38 · Mar 13, 2014

and I was pissed with crust bands at OEF...

Spike one of many · Mar 13, 2014

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Jello Biafra and Dead Kennedys will be playing.
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Unless you know something I don't, Jello Biafra left the DKs a long time ago.

Paczilla · Mar 13, 2014

Spike said:

Nobody ↑ :
Jello Biafra and Dead Kennedys will be playing.
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Unless you know something I don't, Jello Biafra left the DKs a long time ago.
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He did, and im not seeing his name of on list of bands, im confused.

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