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Crass: Capitalist traitors using copyright laws against Anarcho-Punk.Net - 3000 albums deleted because of these greedy selfish sellout bastards

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  1. agent

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    This looks like people from anarcho-punk.net complaining because they are technically 'stealing', someone's work and giving it away for nothing.

    I'm sure if these people spent years of time and a lot of their own money creating things and then having someone else take them and give them away free, they would complain in the same way too.

    Same anti-capitalist rubbish. I bet they wouldn't hand over all their money to show how anti-capitalist they are. Morons. Like Socialist Worker or Communist people living in Czech. It is very easy to be a Socialist or Communist and enjoy all the benefits of Capitalism.

    I would think Southern is behind the action as they are trying to protect the business and people's jobs.

    About Steve Last Supper tour: to hire The Shepherd's Bush Empire must cost a lot of money, plus there were 3 support bands, and most of the profits went to Steve's Inshore Lifeboat at Sea Palling, which saves people's lives. What saves anarcho-punk.net?

    And how about Dial House? I remember when Penny said me about benifits for lawyers to protect Dial House before developers, and now someone wrote that they’ve got 70.000 GBP from benifits to buy Dial House? How? I don’t think anyone from anarcho-punk movement could get so much money from benifits. It would mean 35.000 people donate for this benifit 2 GBP each. I am really not sure there is 35.000 anarchopunk all over the world even in UK! I don’t understand why people lies about things they don’t know and don’t understand.

    This is one of the reasons I don't do anything in this so called "anarcho punk" culture any more, everyone thinks they are either Hitler, Napoleon or Tutenkhamun.

    Just had a look at anarcho-punk.net. Very funny how you can donate using the Anarcho companies: MasterCard, Visa, American Express or a Bank via PayPal. Very anti-capitalist!

    Also, does Colin from Conflict approve this 'marketing' of his band from a site affiliated to anarcho-punk.net?

    http://www.no-gods-no-masters.com/tshir ... 20889&l=en
    http://www.ni-dieu-ni-maitre.com/tshirt ... 48219&l=fr
    http://www.ni-dieu-ni-maitre.com/tshirt ... k-A7020907
    http://www.ni-dieu-ni-maitre.com/tshirt ... A7020909...
    http://www.ni-dieu-ni-maitre.com/tshirt ... A7020905...

    T-shirts can also be 'shared on facebook'. T-Shirts are actually produced by SpreadShirt, so they are using a 3rd-party capitalist company too?

    My conclusion - the world is full of idiots.
     
  2. Bakica

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    Oh god

    Please lock this thread before I start to cry
     
  3. Incalight

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    This is exactly what crass do.

    They take royalties from other bands, check out zounds first single for example, crass have never paid them royalties, and who profits from sales of Bullshit D? There is another instance of a band asking rimbaud for his original tapes to be returned, he had never received a single payment from crass - I dunno what band it was. Rimbaud refused, said 'he needs to make money' and that he would rather burn it than return it to the band.

    Anyways, it's not why I'm 'complaining', I'm pissed off cos what they did to other bands music. I don't give a shit about crass, never cared particularly for their music, didn't sound very authentic in my opinion, but then again ratters is the son of millionaires and probably received a big inheritance to boot. So it's hardly surprising they didn't sound genuine, well not to me anyhow.

    The site is better off without their stuff.

    I feel sorry for the people that believed in them but icons, hero worshipping and shit is never a good idea. Ratters built the pedestal, he had the money to do so, they should be exposed for what they are.


    Wrong. Many of us are in bands, yeah costs money and time to create, we choose for our stuff to be on this site for free, to be available to anyone.

    Crass' life and money is built on a lie, and ripping off people.

    The money they received from a few months of work they did 30+ years ago, based on deception.....

    crass gross sales in 2010 were 200K - that's pretty usual for them apparently. Ratters admits in private (well public now) that he lives off his royalties from crass sales. Yet in public he lies, claims to be skint, while at the same time jetting off to new york and shit.

    Crass claimed to be anti-copyright. Without letting anybody else know, they were as per usual lying, didn't just have their music taken down but many other bands - who are happy to give their music away for free.


    I think you will find ratters and vaulchter were concerned that their money was going down a bit, they are as much behind it as alison. Doubt she does much without ratters say so. They are very controlling. A very strong sense of their 'commodity'. Bloody hell, even Steve Lake commented on that.

    The house - they - vaulture and ratters - scavenged money from people under the pretense that it was 'crass dial house trust'. Ratters has put out crass records (outside of southern), all cheques to be sent to the dial house trust, made payable to rimbaud. I'm curious how many of the other crass members agreed to that.

    They had vaultchers and other peoples donated artworks up for sale, for varying amounts, 10k for something, 20k for another thingy, and so on.

    Ratters is the son to millionaires, I very much doubt he didn't receive an inheritance.

    I figure it would have looked a bit 'odd' if these people bought THEIR OWN house outright, after the ficitional altered-ego they portrayed, they had that image to protect. I really don't believe they didn't have the money, and IF they didn't, why beg people to donate the outstanding amount. It's a frickin big house, they don't need it. Why not get a mortgage, we already know they are sell outs. Or, why not go get a 2 bed house. Let people donate to genuine worthwhile causes.


    Why don't you go ask him, he's usually a nice enough bloke.

    Agreed.
     
  4. xXZenyattaXx

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    blah blah blah the only value bestowed upon things that matters is monetary blah blah blah

    Wanna know a secret? I wouldn't give a shit because most people who download music do so because they can't afford it. Why should only rich people get to enjoy music? Fuck. That. Shit.
     
  5. agent

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    Hi

    - I understand you was pissed off because of deleting 1000 files due Mediafire, but how can anyone of Crass think this will happen?
    - Why didn't you ask anyone of Crass before you've uploaded their albums to this site for their aggreement? They are very kind people such as Colin. Honestly I don't think it is fair enough to think because it is Crass, anyone can use their "logo" for his own "business"? Even I understand you did it in good belief. Colin would say you the same about Conflict.
    - I don't want to argue, I was at Dial House few years ago, spoke with Gee and Penny and I didn't see anything what would reminds me there are living millionaries. They haven't helicopter or yachts. They just survive day by day.
    - Penny could be son of anyone, everyone have parents, don't you?
    - I would agree with the point that Southern or Crass could contact straight to admins first, not to Mediafire, on other hand I don't think Southern is kind of DIY label anymore.
    - About the house, I know Penny work to repair Dial House, work on its garden, he isn't 30 now, he lived there more than 30 years of his life, why he would need to move, just because he is from Crass and that means to live in poor flat somewhere on suburbs? Why others from Crass don't have any problems with to let him stay at DH? Because they were friends and anarchists :)
     
  6. Ivanovich

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    If you are pro-capitalist, and don't do anything in anarcho punk anymore

    WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON THIS FORUM???

    Hahahahahahahah! Only support Crass got is capitalists.
     
  7. agent

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    Honestly, it pissed me off to read rumours about people who I consider to be my friends.
     
  8. ungovernable

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    I'm a graphical artist and my work are being "stolen" everyday. I never complained a single time, i find it pretty encouraging that my graphics are being used by other people.
    I'm also an open source coder, which means the lines of codes i write are being "stolen" and reused by other people.

    Crass is the best-selling anarchopunk band ever, file sharing isn't threatening anything.

    Blah blah blah, same bullshit again.

    Read my last post here and do the math yourself : over $43k profit, counting expenses and NOT counting merch sold
    viewtopic.php?f=31&t=5531&start=100

    Good, we don't need morons like you

    Same ridiculous arguments heard over and over again from people who doesn't have any real arguments. We avoid capitalism when we can, but unfortunatly on internet Paypal is the only reliable way to receive payments

    Yes he fully supports anarcho-punk.net and allows us to sell t-shirts. Unlike capitalist motherfuckers like you, he accept that people print tshirts with his band logo and he's not even asking for anything in return. He even agreed to participate to APN compilation and the theme is supporting file sharing and fighting against copyrights

    Oh what a big drama.

    You realise that all anarcho bands in the world are using "capitalist companies" to release their records, print their t-shirts, etc... And they're also on Facebook ?

    So the band you are defending - Crass - is capitalist because they're on facebook, prints tshirts by a capitalist company, and use paypal ? :lmao:


    What the fuck did you think would happen when you file a copyright claim and mediafire clearly states that account will be suspended ?

    Fucking idiot, Colin wouldn't say the same about Conflict, he's supporting anti-copyright and file sharing.

    We didn't ask Crass because half of the band is supporting file sharing and they don't even have a consensus on the case.
    Actually, Crass themselves didn't ask the other members before talking in their name while sending copyright claims.

    We already answered this question many time, just learn to read before trolling.
     
  9. Dogbox

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    This thread makes me sad :ecouteurs:
     
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  11. Minx

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    Anything that ends in -ism is just dogma, and anyone that labels themselves with -ist needs to start thinking for themselves.

    I clearly don't belong here because I don't like being around people who slag off my friends and jump to conclusions, it demeans you all..so I won't be reading any shit you want to throw at me either, so don't bother.

    How things have changed in the last 35 years when we punks were a united bunch of people with open minds.

    It's not for me to tell the truth of this, but please, appreciate there is a difference between Southern, Crass and individuals. I speak from personal experience of dealing with them, how many of you do?

    I don't download stuff for free either. But each to thier own conscience. Cheers.
     
  12. Ivanovich

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    "They said that we were trash, well the name is Crass not Clash..."

    United?? Open minded??

    Crass are like the most divisive, close minded band, ever.
     
  13. ungovernable

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    Cool story bro

    Oh noes. Boo-hoo-hoo.

    Calling yourself an anarchist is a dogma but calling yourself to be punk is not. Ok cool.
    Talk about hypocrisy ?

    Majority of crass ex-members fully support southern actions. End of the story.

    I do. This thread is the proof.

    Good for you.
     
  14. xXZenyattaXx

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    Good job repeating cliches...
     
  15. agent2

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    Hi again, I didn't think that admin on site called anarcho-punk.net which is complaining that Crass delete posts from facebook will kick me off from this forum. Hey geezers I know I did not write words you don't like but you never say you are antiauthoritarian when you are censoring other people. Yes my previous ID is agent. And that is not just a chance that I can't log on under that ID after my yesterdays post.
    Those who did delete my access is exactly the one I said before. Hitler, Napoleon and Tutanchamun in one person.
    Cheers. And use a brain please before you say about yourself you are antiauthoritarian. :)
     
  16. Ivanovich

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    It state clearly at top that this forum is Anti-fascist, Anti-capitalist, Anti-authoritarian.

    You said "Same anti-capitalist rubbish"

    Why are you suprised you got kicked off?

    Be the same if you said "Same anti-fascist rubbish".

    Anyone comes here saying pro-fascist or pro-capitalist shit is just trolling.

    I don't want to read capitalist bullshit. I doubt anyone here does.

    It aint authoritarian, it's consensus.
     
  17. Bentheanarchist

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    Crass are just a bunch of anti-antifa hippie scum anyway.
     
  18. agent2

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    I never said I am pro-capitalist. When I said "same antí-capitalist rubbish" I meant it abstractly - searching capitalists where they are not. Why I was surprised I was kick off? I would never kick off anyone from any discussion I am owner. That's the point.
     
  19. Ivanovich

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    ANARCHO-PUNK.NET - You also said you not interested in anarcho punk. Strike 2 on the troll meter.
     
  20. agent2

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    Are you 15? :)
     
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