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Crass: Capitalist traitors using copyright laws against Anarcho-Punk.Net - 3000 albums deleted because of these greedy selfish sellout bastards

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  1. punkmar77

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    At this point I'd really rather not, because it would just help them, which if they hadn't been so stupid and greedy, they would have realized in the first place. Thank you though...
     
  2. 1xAntifa

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    OK. Maybe advertise the fact without a link and people can pm me for details? If even that is too much let me know and I'll desist. I just want to fuck them over for the shitty exploitative attitude.
     
  3. punkmar77

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    You could put a link in your signature.. and trust me I understand the sentiment, but again remember that half of Crass were against all that bullshit, it was Penny, Steve, and to a lesser extent Gee.
     
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    I'll have a think about it. Just for information how do I put a link in my signature?
     
  5. punkmar77

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    At the right top hand corner there should be a pic of your avatar and a button that says "my account" explore that and you can see all the modifications you can make
     
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    Many thanks. Time for me to hit the hay. Look after your good self.
     
  7. punkmar77

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    Buenas noches compañero
     
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    Just because it might be a contradiction in terms doesn't mean they don't exist. They're just in the closet, or create the "Joy Division".

    And let's not forget our old friend Nicky Crane who was on the front cover of Strength Thru Oi!, a member of The National Front, and was part of Skrewdriver's security detail. Before he died, he did some gay porn, and came out of the closet on his death bed.
     
  9. 1xAntifa

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    Of course you're right. I was attempting to point out the historical ignorance and irony of gay nazi's. There's a very interesting book on the subject by Andrew Wackerfuss, Stormtrooper Families: Homosexuality and Community in the Early Nazi Movement [Harrington Park Press 2015]. Essentially there was a gay sub-group within the SA, but the Night of Long Knives purge saw the adoption off homophobia as state policy, largely due to Himmler's ideas on, and oversight of, racial purity. With the result of 10-15,000 gay men being murdered in concentration camps.Members of the SS who were found to have indulged in gay sex were to be summarily executed - Peter Longerich Heinrich Himmler - A Life [Oxford University Press]. Wackerfuss also points out that these gay fascists/nazi's were the first to be dealt with under the fascist "new order", when hetero-normativity became state policy. Even Crane gets a mention in the epilogue. Another book Strength Through Joy - Sex in the Third Reich, states that there were "other methods", presumably rape or forced insemination, for dealing with lesbians, so that they could produce children for the Fuhrer. And then there's the phenomena of gay skinheads Murray Healy Gay Skins - Class, Masculinity and Queer Appropriation [Bread and Circuses 1998/2014].

    Here in oz, gay liberation was originally a platform of the left counterculture. Whilst it still retains its progressive persona, deservedly or not, the decriminalisation of homosexuality in the 80' and 90's, means that we also have gay conservatives and gay nazi's no doubt.. As a side-note, after same-sex marriage was made legal here, a retired High Court judge and a Chief Minister [governor] married their long-standing partners. My wife and I voted for same-sex marriage, primarily for the sake of our kids who are both Queer, as well as the general principle of it.
     
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    A lot of early supporters were liquidated during The Night of Long Knives. I often wonder how many nazi skinheads remember this, since. if their dreams of a fourth reich ever comes to pass. they would be the first to go. (Proud Boys watch out!)

    The book you recommend sounds like an interesting read. One of these days, I will check it out. I sort of figured that you were merely pointing out the ironic contradiction and ignorance of gay nazis, but, being the loud mouth that I am who sometimes doesn't know when to keep their mouth shut, I felt a need to respond, and point out that they do exist. (Also Jewish nazis as well) Also the raping of lesbians and forced insemination doesn't surprise me one bit. I wouldn't expect anything less. Murray Healy's book also looks like an interesting read. (Many more closeted skinheads than one might think. Nicky Crane only scratches the surface)

    In the states, the Gay Lib movement was a form of protest, but now a lot of large multi-national corporations (As well as politicians) now see the LGBTQ community as dollar signs to be exploited. This year, Chicago just elected it's third black mayor, it's second female mayor, and first openly gay mayor. Of course this really doesn't amount to anything when you consider that our vice president passed a "Religious Tolerance" bill while governor of Indiana, which basically means a person or business can refuse service to anybody based on religious beliefs. He's also one of those types who supports the whole "Pray away the gay" program which is very dangerous and has lead to many suicides. It's frightening to me that this man could become president if Trump is impeached. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    And then we have the "Log Cabin Republicans" who are, as you might've guessed by the name, right wing conservative republicans who are openly gay.

    And the Westboro Baptist Church is still very much active, even though it's founder died a while back. Nasty piece of work that is.

    The Supreme Court legalized gay marriage a while back and there are still people who can't handle it. (No surprise here)
     
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    Don't get me started on Jewish nazi's. Some Jews voted for Hitler. No surprise given the innate fascism of Zionism either and don't forget some Zionists cooperated with the Hitler regime [see Leni Brenner's books]. It's the very dirty secret of Zionism.

    We're getting our own Religious Freedom laws here and they're explicitly modeled on the ones you have. It also looks like "conversion therapy" is back on the table as well. We have a rugby player, who is also an evangelical, who posted on social media that Gays, drunks, adulterers and fornicators were going to hell. Caused a huge furor and he was sacked for bringing the game into disrepute. The evangelical christian lobby here raised almost a million in a fw days so that he could sue. It just gave our PM who is also evangelical ammunition for his religious freedom laws. Glad that Westboro sociopath is gone, pity his sect hasn't fallen apart though.

    You're not loud-mouthed btw. I value our discussions and your opinions.
     
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    Leni Brenner's book sound like a good read. Not too comfortable with the whole Trotskyite politics of his, but I'll still give them a read someday.

    It doesn't surprise me that some jews voted for Hitler. One of the leaders of the Chicago Nazi Party was allegedly part jewish, (I'm not sure if it was on his mother's side, though) and there was a self hating jew who actually became Grand Dragon of the Pennsylvania KKK before being outed and committing suicide.

    Glad you don't think I'm a loud mouth,but I can be abrasive when offering my opinion at times. I also value our discussions, even if we don't 100% see eye to eye, but at least I think we learn from each other, and that's very important.
     
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