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Class war, or "Civil" war?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by JesusCrust, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. JesusCrust

    JesusCrustExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    So my father and I had this discussion a while ago. My mother is a bleeding heart liberal, and my dad just came out of the "closest" as a socialist, but a democratic socialist at best. We we're driving somewhere, I don't remember where, and I brought up the, what should be, the class war. He's non-violent, but is sympathetic to whatever gets the cause done, so we obviously disagreed on some things, but he made a good point. What he believes is that in America there will be a civil war before there is a class war. Yes, I know the class war is consistently being fought, but his interpretation of the idea made me think. Especially after these recent mid-term elections. The partisanship amongst democrats and republicans is ever growing everyday, with violent threats amongst the other party popping up at random. Some right-wing talk show host offered 100$ for whoever punched Allan Grayson in the face, but we all know this isn't the point. Sure it shows extra, unreasonable, fascist aggression from those on the right, which this is not, and probably not the last, time. The problem is both parties, as we all know, support the free market. One IS the lesser of two evils, and does try to look out for those less fortune, (key word, try) but the underlining fact, as we all know (hopefully) at APN is the free market isn't truly free. I see these worldwide current events, as in Greece, with their austerity measures, the riots, the dissesnt, and France, attempting to react as Greece did, with their conservative gov't, and America backing their pro=conservative executive branch. Thing is about, "Americans" is that they're still caught up in the whole AMERICA #1" shit. Most other countries despise the free market, yet MOST Americans embrace it, and now with the Tea Party, will fight for it. So my questions to those on this site that live in the US. What do you think will occur first, a true class "war", or a full on civil war? And also, how would you react to the latter?
     

  2. Harrison

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    I do agree that the class war is always being fought, but I'm not sure as to if either one will happen any time soon. I could see a class war happening sooner not because of the emergence of the Tea Party but because of their growing support in the senate and HOR. A lot of millionaires just found their way into places of power, probably going to have at least a small effect. Honestly though, I don't think we'll see anything on the magnitude you're thinking without either some external stimuli like a catastrophe or a complete market crash/very serious economic downturn.
    On the other hand though, America is kind of an ideological powder keg. And I reckon there's enough weaponry here that things could get nasty real quick. One can only hope that that would override the whole "America #1 patriot all one miserable people" bullshit.
     
  3. NumberLast

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    I agree with both of you that the Class War is constantly waged, something the recession has made me even more aware of. People are chomping at the bit to get a piece of the upper class. While it will take a serious event to provoke it, I think it is only a matter of time till the Class War elevates towards mass violence. Perhaps not a Civil War but certainly a rebellion fit for the history books. Perhaps this is an aggressive stance, but I know that when this happens I'll be ready in wait to push the Teaparty in the harbor. If America cannot rid itself of it's foolish past ways it will bring around it's own downfall. People often accuse Anarchist of sitting around waiting for the world to end, well the way I see it with current events... the end is exceedingly fucking nigh.
     
  4. JesusCrust

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    I'm not hoping for a civil war, but rather what I'm saying is, it seems as tensions are rising between the people on the left and the right in America, no matter what their financial status and not between the people and corporations, CEOs, and rich as it should be.
    There's poor people on the right of center who are stocking up on guns because they honestly fear liberals as being socialist and trying to take their money, freedom, though, out of the two parties, the liberals are trying to look out for them. It's just a dis information hysteria, and I'd say it's a pretty big win on the corporate side turning the people against each other to blind side them from the bigger picture.
     
  5. ungovernable

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    it's almost the same thing.

    A revolution is a class war. A class war is a class against another class, like the working class fighting the bourgeoisie. So a full class war can be considered as a civil war since it's civils fighting other civils.

    Spanish revolution was a class war and a civil war
     
  6. snookams

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    i'd predict world war before class war....well at least for the united states...class war does happen in other countries
     
  7. JesusCrust

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    America loves it's free market too much :/
     
  8. snookams

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    its true.....eventually all the times that america goes into countries to steal resources and labor it'll just come back to bite us in the ass. has anyone read that book the Shock Doctrine? it's pretty good. the whole idea of class war, or the lines that divide class is so much different in the modern, global economy. capitialsim can be grown (or destroyed, like this website's goals are) by the movement of our fingertips onto a keyboard (intro on Here and Now by Dystopia says it all...wanna read that book too). americans don't generally look at their lives based on class or income- there is this notion of equality (which isn't real, of course) and the notion that people who don't make that much money fucked themselves over, or made the wrong choices in life. americans rarely blame the free market on anything....the government yes, but not the free market.
     
  9. JesusCrust

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    And that's how we get the Tea bagger's. They blame government from the wrong things, and support them for the same things we as anarchists despise them for. America's got everything back asswards.
     
  10. jjk3546

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    Violent revolution is all that can save America. Such is why I don't go to "peaceful protests". I'm happy just doing my thing in the woods where I live. It's more important to look out for yourslef, things being as they are now. Grow a garden, folks, stop consuming.
     
  11. snookams

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    violent revolution? yeah that'd be fun. a bunch of fuckwads and morons running through the streets killing children and elderly and raping women becasue they have the opportunity to. our system is already run on violence, so i don't understand how more of it would help anything. although i do agree that we should all have gardens....but i still want to consume, otherwise i'd die. and if i didn't consume there'd be no point in growing a garden
     
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