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CIA Drug Trafficking

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Malignance_is_bliss, Dec 2, 2010.

  1. Malignance_is_bliss

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    CIA Drug Trafficking - Wikipedia

    "The United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has been involved in several drug trafficking operations. Often, the CIA worked with groups which it knew were involved in drug trafficking, so that these groups would provide them with useful intelligence and material support, in exchange for allowing their criminal activities to continue, and impeding or preventing their arrest, indictment, and imprisonment by U.S. law enforcement agencies."


    Another dirty facet of the capitalist system, or bullshit cuntspiracy?
    your opinions, please.
     

  2. snookams

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    that's creepy because i just talked about this with my dad. get out of my head.

    i think the CIA (and it has been proven) takes the opportunity to try and control and regulate the black market economy...it's a way of seizing fiscal power for the United States.

    i know it's a big hollywood film, but The Falcon and the Snowman with Sean Penn is a really good film based on actual events- it talks about the CIA's connection with drug money...i'm sure you can pirate it somewhere if anyone is curious
     
  3. Malignance_is_bliss

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    hahaha sorry 'bout that. that's basically what I thought. they want complete control of all markets, and what better way to do that then have the governments foot-soldiers arresting petty dealers on the street, all the while covertly bringi9ng it in to the country. I heard on the news one day that the troops in Afghanistan are guarding/ harvesting poppies so "the terrorist don't get their hands on it". I have huge problems with the "war on drugs" because its more or less just a turf war for selling drugs, I mean, that whole shitstorm in Mexico a few months back, was that not drug cartels trying to overthrow, or was that just more spin?
     
  4. vAsSiLy77

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    too bad that it's not just a question of opinion but a brutal fact :'( :ecouteurs: :o , at least since the noriega trial 1991, when one of the pilots,
    "Floyd Carlton testified that his smuggling operation was flying weapons to the Contras at the same time he was flying drugs to the United States. When Carlton's lawyer asked about Oliver North's knowledge of these flights, federal prosecutors vehemently objected, and U.S. judge William Hoeveler became angry. "Just stay away from it", the judge snapped, refusing to allow any more questions on the topic."

    During the early stages of the Vietnam war, the CIA armed and organized mercenary groups amongst the H'mong people in Laos and Cambodia, the H'mong were notorious opium farmers and their production went with the help of air america, a CIA-controlled private airline, out of the remote areas, large parts of it were used as a means of funding the anti-communist resistance."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_%28airline%29

    the same strategy was used during the liberation wars in middle america, CIA-controlled airlines and organisations flew in weapons and equipment for the contras and flew back with marihuana and cocaine:
    "Investigations into Lt. Col North's involvement have not been limited to the United States. One notable example is the second report of the Costa Rican Legislative Assembly's Commission on Narcotics Trafficking, which examined the explosion of cocaine trafficking in that country during the 1980s. After studying the involvement of Contras and U.S. officials with illegal arms running and drug trafficking, the commission recommended that former ambassador Lewis Tambs, CIA station chief Joseph F. Fernandez, and Lt. Col. Oliver North be forever denied entry in Costa Rica, a recommendation adopted by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

    during the soviet occupation of afghanistan the CIA supported the mudschaheddin fighting the russians, the canadian writer Alfred McCoy claims, that two years after the CIA-operations in afghanistan began, "the borderareas between Pakistan and Afghanistan became the worlds most important area of heroin production
    and covered 60% of the north-american requirements."
    "the CIA's capital controlled this heroin trade. if the mudschaheddin guerillas occupied new areas of Afghanistan, they ordered the local farmers to produce opium as a revolutionary tax. across the border in Pakistan, protected by the pakistani secret service ISI, afghan leaders and pakistani syndicates had hundreds of heroin laboratories. in this decade of open drug trade it was impossible for the US-DEA to organize important raids or arrests against the will of Islamabad (pakistani capital/government)."
    "in the time after the end of the cold war a drastical rise of the opium-production in Afghanistan could be observed. since the american invasion in the year 2001 the opium-production increased 33 fold. the yearly earnings of the drug trade in the region of the golden half-moon is estimated to account for 120 to 194 billion dollars. this is one third of the worldwide sales."
    (Michael Chossudivsky: Heroin is good for Your Health. Occupation Forces Support Afghan Drug Trade. Global Research, April 2007.
    Douglas Keh: Drug Mones in a Changing World. Technical document No. 4, 1998)

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/C ... llout.html
    http://rationalrevolution.net/war/cia_d ... reagan.htm
     
  5. Corporate Deathburger

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    I also heard somewhere (may have been total bullshit) that heroin was invented by the U.S. Government to place in low income black communities, in order to distribute and spread. The sole purpouse of the operation was to keep the 'blacks' in the lower class and keep the country in a constant state of paranoia, wich would make people depend on the government.

    If that makes any sence.
     
  6. Malignance_is_bliss

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    Well wasn't that the point of AIDs as well [if you believe it's man-made that is]? if not invented in America, I'm sure it was used for that here, among other things.

    I found this article interesting:
    Pont-Saint-Esprit poisoning: Did the CIA spread LSD?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10996838
     
  7. vAsSiLy77

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    a bit about heroin and it's origins in general - and some further bits of the relation between the asian wars and drug trafficking
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

    when the civil rights movement started with the black muslims and others in the early sixties, many activists blamed the white government for allowing and encouraging the trade/abuse of alcohol and drugs in black neighborhoods - to keep people sedated and occupied, unable to endanger the white claim of power.
    many activists, Malcolm X for example, consequently fought against the trade/abuse and promoted abstinence, calling to keep a clear mind able to fight against the repression.
     
  8. DirtyRottenThrashPunk

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    I think your thinking of crack...cause I've never heard that rumour about heroin, but it's a pretty popular one pertaining to crack.
     
  9. snookams

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    there are no poppies in the USA, there are no poppies in the USSR
     
  10. Malignance_is_bliss

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    Poppy monopoly in the UK, poppy monopoly OK.
    Poppies are the opium of the people!

    fuck yes!
     
  11. snookams

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    hahah yeah that's what came into my head. i actually just watched a documentary in my geography class today on Laos's opium trade....i think because the US and western forces lost to the Communist forces of SE Asia in the 70's, the CIA took over in the 80's to reap the profit the underground drug trade could provide. so since capitalism failed, we had to find some way of getting money out of the affair and to pay for more secret wars and bullshit like that. now we have poor and homeless in the streets and tons of gangs because the US and corporations wanted to get anything they could out of that area of the world....
     
  12. ungovernable

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    Far more interessing than 911 conspiracy theories.
     
  13. snookams

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    far more interesting because it can be proven. it's not too far fetched to say the US government would like to obtain money from drug trafficers as compared to the US saying they would blow up their own billion dollar buildings. lol why would the US blow up a building so they could go to war? they go to war whenever they fucking want, and all they have to do to justify it is say the enemy is a threat to national security. whereas drug trafficers are under the radar, so to speak, and easier to fight without huge media attention-- and the US can make easy money from the drug trade as compared to money made from controlling oil lines in the middle east and other regions.
     
  14. vAsSiLy77

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    At least they put lots of efford into the research to use it to interrogate enemy-agents and maybe for chemical warfare too. Thats where the stories get really creepy, with lots of weird characters involved, inclusive nazi-germun scientists and specialists providing their experience aquired in the concentration camps, code named operation paperclip and operation artichoke.
    I lost the source for a probable combat mission during the us-invasion in Cambodia, where an entrenched NVA-unit was "gassed" to break their resistance - the nature of the used "gas" was reported somehow unusual compared with the known means of chemical warfare otherwise used.
    CIA-chief richard helms ordered the documents of these mkultra-projects to be destroyed in the early seventies - just before some investigating committees started to ask uncomfortable questions. There are rumors that even high ranking CIA-officials like william colby had to die under mysterious circumstances to hide the whole extend of this secret horror story - but beware, the complex is also a favorite playground for some wild conspiracy nuts - so not every rumor might be true.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_CHATTER
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKDELTA
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
     
  15. Malignance_is_bliss

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    Very true gobbledigooks, so many people are spreading their bullshit via the internet. I was reading this stuff about a supposed former Delta Force member who was involved with MKUltra, and the whole damn thing was ruined when he started mentioning aliens and shit, not saying they couldn't possibly exist, but to the extent he was saying, it was ridiculously far fetched. what the fuck is wrong with people sometimes? :ecouteurs:

    that reminds me of the failed "sex-bomb" the military tried to implement.
     
  16. vAsSiLy77

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    They got what? (No, because of the local domestic peace I don't ask where to apply...)

    Yes, extreme caution is required researching these stories, rumors and vague hints, I got some really horrible stuff written by a longtime psychiatry patient who claims to have been genetically "enhanced" and somehow conditioned by a bunch of rogue CIA-scientists, and monsieur de sade would flush reading the story of his abuse in hidden basements and backrooms.
    I guess it's the same with those alien abduction legends, completely paranoid and pityful, but extreme enough to be interesting for the "ill-luminated" fanboys.

    But what I remember from the cambodian "incident" is, that the surviving soldiers reported symptoms very similiar to the symptoms the people in Pont-Saint-Esprit suffered, disorientation, halluzinations and panic and somehow a relation to the swiss chemical concern sandoz was made by the north vietnamese army - sandoz produced LSD and other stuff for the CIA in the 50's and was also brought into relation with Pont-Saint-Esprit and a similarly but less drastic phenomen in another village 10 km away from Pont.
    Thinking of richard helms haste to destroy documents and reports - how much of these operations were organized and executed by uncontrolled cold warriors searching desperately for the "ultimate weapon" - without any special assignment or at least knowledge of adminstrative offices/the government?
    The little information that is proved and believable really gives me the shakes... :o
     
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