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Fascism is, in nature, oppressive and hateful.

It's not once they group together and start bashing all the punks and ethnic minority that it will be the time to do something, it will be too late

Like Adolf Hitler said himself, "the only way our ennemy could have won is if they smashed us in the streets before we took the power"

Anyway, what is the point of hanging out with nazis ? What's so cool and attractive about them ? There is no common points between us and them, why be friends with the peoples who are against our ideas and who would send us to concentration camp if they ever succeed in their ideas ? I really don't see the point..

Anti-fascism is not only about fighting the worst nazis, it's also about opposing to unclear persons.

I don't give a fuck how long you have been supposedly fighting NF if you tolerate peoples who support nazism, racism, homophobia, and anti-semitism.

You are another living proof that the age doesnt have anything to do with the coherence of ideas.

 

i really thought the logic of peoples who think you can be a fascist for being radically anti-fascist is really funny... Hating hateful peoples isn't hate for no reason. Those peoples already hate anarchists for no reason, like i said if they took the power they would either kill us or send us to concentration camps.

Anarchist already hate the police, we already hate the government, the army, etc... And as far as i know we don't wait until they do something bad in the front of us to justify our hate ?

From what i understood in the police brutality march topic you seem to hate a lot the police and you didn't wait until you see them beat someone in your face to realize they are bad... You prefer fascists to the police or what??

Homophobia itself is a problem, no need to beat the peoples just being homophobic is a problem. Same thing with racism. Racism itself is bad, no need to wait until someone beat black peoples to realize racism is problematic

Then you are very misinformed. Every country in the world have problem with neo-nazis and racist. In USA there is nazi militias, the KKK, aryan brotherhood, american nazi party, aryan nation, national alliance, etc... there is a shitload of nazis everywhere and there is a lot of racial murders. Australia have a lot of problem with nazis too. Same thing in france, they are a lot and very well organized.
Worst is in russia, the nazis are majoritary, very well organized and dangerous, every year there is thousands of racial attacks and murders. Don't wait until our country becomes like that.

Even in quebec there is a lot of problem with the nazis. I know that a lot of nazis are currently in prison and will be liberated soon, they are in prison because they assaulted arabs, blacks and gays. Recently the nazis are trying to make a big nazi festival in montreal, it was supposed to happen in april but they reported it. Ever heard of the blood & honour or the strike force ? they are here in quebec too

Not even talking about quebec's patriot and nationalist skinheads who hang out with nazis and most of them are racists.

If you don't care about someone being explicitly nazi, then you are definatly not anti-racist and personnally i would have a big problem with peoples who support them.

cops are still persons too. governments too.

 

Oh yeah you're right, hitler and co was nothing at all, just a little detail of the history.

And then you pretend you know everything about anti-fascism ?

Dude there's still neo-nazis today even in 2010, wake the fuck up. It doesn't matter if hitler was crushed in 1945 or not just like it doesn't matter what happenned with Mussolini. They left a big heritage and peoples are still believing in them even today.

And by the way sherlock, we had to do a world war and throw an atomic bomb to end the war the nazis started. You think the world can afford this cost once more just because some peoples are too stupid to realize the mistakes of the history can be repeated again and we must stop them before they organize and take power ?

So you fight the national front but you think neo-nazis aren't a menace, hmmmm..... Definatly, you have no lessons to give to me.

 

The quote was about preventing hitler to get the power. Yes, the only way they could have prevented the nazis from gaining access to the power was smashing them in the street.

What you say is stupid, we needed millions of death, a second world war and an atomic bomb dropped on 2 cities to stop hitler. Conclusions is obviously that the best way would have been to smash them in the streets before they take the power.

wow please re-read your history, Japan were allies of nazis and it's the ONLY REASON why the war started with japan. If hitler didn't existed, Japan would have never attacked the USA.

No shit, hiroshima and nagasaki. You think i'm an ignorant or what?

Invasion of china have nothing to do with second world war.

WWII started in 1939, you don't even know what you are talking about. Japanese invasion of china wasn't a world conflict, it was a conflict between 2 countries, mostly due to the ongoing war between maoist communists, nationalists and japan

No shit sherlock !

He didn't invent fascism either.

So what are you trying to prove ?

Then why did you pretend to be fighting the NF before i was even born ?

Nazis want to do action that is harmful, if you agree to use violence against them because it's the only to prevent them from accessing power and/or doing harmful things, then why are you argueing over my Hitler's quote ?

 

wow, i didn't read this message :

Not my fault if you don't understand what anti-fascism is about

I'm not talking about that, i'm talking about not tolerating intolerance.

You are preaching to tolerate nazis and you pretend to be fighting the NF since i was even born, you are a fucking joke. What are you fighting if you tolerate everything ?

Yeah right, so we sit down and do nothing ? How dumb.

If it was just a passing phase there wouldn't be nazi organisations everywhere and racial crimes.

Maybe nazism in russia is just a passing phase too ? Go explain your shitty lessons to them, and explain them how they should tolerate the nazis because they're not dangerous. And then go pretend you are fighting fascism before they were born, hahahahahaha.

Hitler's success is not only due to peoples who took action, it's also due to peoples who just had ideas and supported hitler. The problem is bigger than you think, but hey i'm the one who's naive.

Definatly you know nothing about anti-fascism, you are definatly not an anti-fascist.

Fuck you, hitler is not my hero you're just too stupid to understand the quote.

Learn to read, we never pretended he's a nazi. Anti-fascism is not only about fighting the nazis, it's also opposing against ambiguous peoples and peoples who support nazism. But you don't understand that.

Wow you are a fucking dumbass, i'm quoting hitler to prove a point against him and you think it's the same as someone who love nazi symbols like the swastika and who hang out with nazi peoples, collaborate with them, use nazi flags, nazi tattos, and act racist homophobic and antisemitist. How stupid.

 

Yep, you're not the first to say this kind of remark, but i don't care. Not tolerating fascism doesn't makes you a fascist.

Anarchists already do not tolerate policemans, politicians, capitalists, government, etc.... I don't see why we should make an exception for nazis, racists and fascists.

It's about being coherent between your ideas and your actions.

Zero tolerance for fascism, especially on an anarcho-punk forum where the bands we publish are strongly anti-fascists. Like oi polloi says, we are non violent peoples but when it comes down to fascism we must fight them with physical force. Maybe they are fascists and intolerant peoples too?

I always found that the mentality of "tolerating intolerance because if you do not tolerate it it will make you an intolerant like them" is fucking stupid. Neo-nazism isn't an opinion, it is a crime against humanity. Fuck their freedom, anyway they are against freedom.

I'd still prefer to be an intolerant than someone who tolerate nazism...

PS : And please, i hope no one will talk about Noam Chomsky, i don't give a fuck what he think about freedom of speech for nazis and negationists, i follow no heroes.

 

Yep he even defended the freedom of speech of Faurisson, the most notorious negationist. How awesome, eh ? Nazis and other piece of shit now can count on the anarchists to defend them !!

Why not also ask the State to liberate the nazi political prisonneers and liberate the ones who did racist crimes because we are against law and against prison ?

I agree with a lot of stuff noam chomsky wrote, but definatly not on this.

China vs japan conflict didn't evolve other countries declaring the war because of this conflict, re-read what is the definition of a world war conflict. And Japan didn't invade multiple other countries after the china conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

World War II, or the Second World War[1] (often abbreviated WWII or WW2), was a global military conflict lasting from 1939 to 1945 which involved most of the world's nations, including all of the great powers

Here you go Smartass.

Then why did you say this isn't a menace, because those peoples are just dumb and misguided, it is just a phase and they will stop being racist by themselves, in othr words we don't have to fight against it ?

Why do you support ANTIFA if you are against physical confrontation with nazis ?

No, what is stupid is your dumb comparison.

I'm quoting hitler to prove a point against him, to explain how to fight against it. And you think it is the same than someone who PROMOTE hitler and nazism or are friends with them. It should be obvious.

i wasn't talking about you, i was talking about the nazis. They hate all we're about, so i don't understand why tolerate them or be indifferent to their ideas as long as they doesn't start beating arabs in front of our face