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Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Extinction, Dec 3, 2009.

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  1. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Admin Team Experienced member


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    i'm not attacking him because he wants evidence, i'm attacking him because he's too stupid to find the evidences by himself when we clearly explained it and everyone know where to find it, he can't read and he refuse to hear anything. plus, he registered ONLY to defend his stupid shitty band.
     
  2. Mike Generic

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    Wow, I knew the Exploited were dumbfucks, but I never knew about any of this shit.
    A few years back, long after I stopped listening to them, 'cause they suck, I found a limited edition of Troops of Tomorrow at a local record store, where Wattie is wearing a shirt with a swastika on it, and I've only hated them more since then.
     
  3. Probe

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    Cant you just use Google Translator or something to translate it?
     
  4. Lunadimae

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    Hm... Their album "War Now" was released in 1988, hence Chaos 88.

    The flags represent their want of destruction of those two nations, hence the dead bodies of the President and British Prime Minister, and the tomb they are laying on. The picture meant that they chaos now, and fuck the world (in particular America and Britain).

    Ugh... Seeing that black Anarchist flag with "Chaos" under it sickens me, what the hell are they teaching people? They're even worse than those Politicians and Sociologist teachers that present Anarchy as an unruly and chaotic society.
     
  5. Lunadimae

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    This would justify a double post:

    http://billy-news.blogspot.com/2008/11/ ... oited.html

    Exploited reject the claims of being Nazis. Weird, and no I'm not defending the Exploited, I've bashed them as much as the next guy on their videos but this needs a debate of some sort.

    Quote from there: "fuck nazis, fuck bnp, fuck commie, fuck rash madrid"

    Edit: And then there's a post from the ones who attacked The Exploited, they claim that it wasn't RASH Madrid, but a set of individuals/group not related to RASH Madrid, they also state what Ungovernable said about The Exploited's relations with Nazis.

    Speaking of Nazis:
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  6. Protspecd

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    So you are assuming I am a fanboy because of my post count? I am a long time lurker, I got interested in this topic because of what I read and decided to question it.


    Because I already questioned the argument in my first post "And the faggot thing, read what I was saying in my first entry with Duncan and the general term for the insult, as much as I dislike it etc". I didn't want to repeat myself again. I was just poitning out here the flaw in your 'quote'. You added the Jewish part in, I couldn't find the Jewish part in the quote in your evidence and the quote in mine. I could almost say, tampering with the weak evidence? =P


    That isn't homophobic, though antisemitic. It was something like, the Jewish bastard charged me 120 dollars for a bandage? That is extremely sketchy, that is the kinda stuff I am looking for.


    It might be because it isn't strictly a anarchist website? Maybe they let both sides argue it out. Have debates on their views. I know mohawksrock.com allow fascists and racists on their site because they are allowed to voice their opinion and members can debate on views. It doesn't mean mohawksrock.com is racist, it just means they aren't going, 'you havea fascist view, you aren't even allowed to debate or have your opinion here. Get the fuck out.' Besides, if everyone was like that (not allowing fascists have their say at all), how could we open the eyes of said fascists and Nazi's? If anything it would probably fuel their hate and would make them show their views through other means.

    I also remind you that when they played in bulgaria it was a public full of nazis, the nazis beaten up all anarcho punks and antifascists and then THE EXPLOITED PLAYED ANYWAY, THEY PLAYED FOR THE NAZIS WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. There are videos, press articles, and A LOT OF EVIDENCES about what happenned here, but once again you totally ignore this fact and prefer to center on less important things.



    If you have read this article and still don't understand then i repeat it again : you are an idiot, since all evidences are here. Do your own researshes if you refuse to hear.

    I wasted enough time with you, you're just a dumbass who refuse to hear anything, we must repeat and repeat and repeat the same things over and over again, and anyway you are ignoring my arguments. You're the kind of person who couldn't even recognize a real nazi unless you see him with a swastika tshirt. Keep being an exploited fanboy and thinking they are a clean band. It's mindless punks like you who make this scene shitty, uncoherent and unpolitized.

    it's not like there was only ONE argument against exploited, and you can't deny ALL of the arguments against them, but yeah i know stupid fanboys like you will always try to find excuses or say they need evidences, they always refuse to hear anything

    I wasn't refusing anything you were saying, you are just not understanding. I was semi-dismissing a few claims because there was no hard evidence behind the claims. If you really think I was just completely ignoring your arguments, then you are so god damn pathetic at debating there is almost no point to this. Never said they were completely clean neither, just wanted some direct evidence to prove they aren't. I am the one making the scene unpolitical? If anything I am making it political, challenging weak evidence to decide what views a band has. I am trying to make the unclear, clear. [/quote]

    "it's not like there was only ONE argument against exploited, and you can't deny ALL of the arguments against them"

    Are you shitting me? You have to be trolling here, please tell me I am jsut getting trolled. I would actually feel better knowing I was trolled than cringing at the thought of you actually believing this. NO FUCKING SHIT! Of coarse there is not just one argument WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I WAS CHALLENGING YOUR ARGUMENT? To bring the other argument in, fucking hell!

    "You're the kind of person who couldn't even recognize a real nazi unless you see him with a swastika tshirt."
    Hey I saw Wattie and Sid in a shirt with a swastika shirt, and I wasn't stating they were nazi's was I? =P

    When did I say you have to get famous at all costs? Now you are just putting words in my mouth. I was saying he was just doing it for a bit of controversy and I statement of 'I can wear anything I want, I have the freedom to and I will prove it.'

    Yawn, you don't even know when I registered do you? I registered a while before this. What didn't you get about no assumptions? You are the one calling me an idiot, though I refuse to call you any names, I think you should reconsider calling me an idiot. I did do my own research, I have stated this previously.

    Well, I would believe it much more than some shitty article on the web going, this is what happened with no links to a reliable source.

    Hey, it is your argument you are defending.

    Ungovernable is a Nazi he beats up old ladies, know go research to see if this is true.

    See how stupid that sounds? That is not how debating works, if you are going to put an argument out there, you have to back it up yourself and not leave it to others to research for you. you should be thankful I am teaching you these points, it should help you in the future.
     
  7. Protspecd

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    Thank you Lunadimae, at least you understand where I am coming from =)

    War now was released in 1988, hence the '88 on the flag. The flags are supposed to represent how they put their soldiers in coffins in a war. As you see their are two dead bodies with the flags on them. This was supposed to be a shot at the death that war brings, the title of the album is sarcastic. Their songs are anti-army, look at the lyrics for Troops of Tomorrow
    http://www.lyricsdownload.com/exploited ... yrics.html
    If you think that is pro-military, I feel sorry for you.

    ""punks not red, fuck red fascists""

    Eh, I don't think "punks not red, fuck red fascists" is a Nazi slogan. He is against communism I guess but his views are Anarchism.

    "There was also a flyer of the exploited with a nazi swastika, there was a thread on The Exploited official forum about this with the picture"

    Again, link to the flyer. No, I am not going to go searching for evidence to support your view, for all I know it could be made up. As I have said, YOU have to get research for YOUR side of the argument. Stop putting things out there and going, okay go find it. I am guessing you get low marks when writing essays?

    "In bulgaria, they play a show for a public of nazis after the nazis have beaten up all anarcho punks and antifascists, without saying a damn thing about what happenned
    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=82117"

    All they might have heard is, a fight broke out outside where they were playing. How many fights break out at Exploited shows? Many I would assume, this wouldn't be the first time. So they wouldn't stop playing because of this common experience.

    The picture of the tattoo, where is the head shot? That could be anyone's arm, if you are going to have pictures like that, include head shots otherwise we can completely disregard that 'evidence'.

    The picture with him and the guy from skrewdriver is interesting but what about the pictures with him and interracial people

    Edit: Just read Lunadimae's post about the Skrewdriver picture, there you go..

    http://www.punkrockers.com/vbforum/show ... 501&page=2 (scroll down a bit, you will see it)
    You can see here he is posing with a dark skinned man, this is as valid as any photo with Wattie and someone with fascist ideals.

    That thread is also a good read on this topic. Enjoy...

    (sorry for the double post)
     
  8. ungovernable

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    god damnit, you're a fucking idiot, i'll never say it enough. To you everything is normal, it's normal to have nazi frequentations, its normal to make shows with nazis, its normal to tour with nazis, its normal to wear swastikas, normal to have a nazi flag in your living room, normal to have nazi tattoos, normal to insult peoples with antisemitist or homophobic terms, normal to hate mexicans, normal to tolerate nazis, etc... YOU'RE AN IDIOT !!

    no, but because you register only to defend them like the fanboy you are.

    yeah right, i'm doing a big conspiration against exploited... JUST LIKE there wasnt already enough arguments to admit they are shitty band

    the sole fact that they are being homophobic against a bisexual person IS FUCKING ENOUGH TO SAY THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG, only an idiot like you can pretend otherwise

    THATS STILL NOT NORMAL just like being homophobic with a bisexual person ISN'T NORMAL

    YOU JUST PRETENDED THEY ARE ANTI FASCIST then you say there's nothing wrong with tolerating nazis

    you're an idiot, there was a topic about the show in bulgaria and the nazis were talking shit about black peoples, i remember one of them said "wow i didnt know bulgarians bled red", and some jackass from exploited answered the topic WITHOUT SAYING A DAMN THING ABOUT THE NAZIS, they only bitched peoples talking shit against exploited

    Peoples critizing exploited are getting banned from this forum while nazis are tolerated


    wow, what a big load of bullshit, you're definatly a dumbass. Anti-fascism is not about tolerating nazis, maybe you think we should tolerate nazis who talk shit about black peoples on anarcho-punk.net because it's soooo productive to talk with them and try to convert them ?

    this is one of the most stupid thing i have read on this forum

    maybe we should start tolerating cops and politicians too because after all, our objective is to convert them and "open their eyes" ?? what a big joke

    I wonder who's the most fascist one between someone who is radically against fascism and someone who defend the freedom of speech for fascists (typical right wing speech). You should make your nice speech to the BNP they would love it

    we are fascists for being anti-fascists, YOU ARE A JOKE MAN, you have nothing of an anarchist and nothing of an antifascist, what the fuck are you doing on this forum ? go back listen to exploited and other shitty bands


    You ignore 90% of the arguments -- strong arguments with evidences that are verifiable -- and you center on 10% of semi-important argument because you need more evidence to believe it's true. That's defending the exploited, nothing else. While ignoring most of the arguments.

    No you are trying to make the clear UNCLEAR by saying you need the most blatant evidence to believe

    what i am saying is that there are like 20 different arguments against the exploited. You ignore like 18 of those arguments and focus on 2 arguments saying you need more proof, just like if 2 arguments out of 18 would make a difference. THERE IS ALREADY ENOUGH ARGUMENTS ABOUT THEM TO SAY ITS A SHITTY BAND

    you couldn't even recognize a real nazi, period.

    to you, wearing nazi tshirts is normal, having nazi flag is normal, nazi tattoos are normal, having nazis fans is normal, doing a tour with a nazi band is normal, collaborating with nazis to beat up antiracist band members is normal, etc etc
    and probably if you see someone doing a sieg heil you will think it's just for provocation

    anyway like you said, we should talk to nazis and let them express themselves because their freedom of speech is so important to us, so well there's nothing wrong with nazis eh

    you said wearing nazi tshirt was a success because people are still talking about it today

    so to you, anything can be justified if it's just to "make peoples talk about you"

    YOU'RE AN IDIOT, i'll never say it enough.

    Your logic is stupid, you should go hang out with nazis not with antifas.

    "i can wear anything i want including nazis symbol because i have the right to"
    maybe you can also sieg heil because you have the right to ? and have nazi tattos ?

    and how about having nazis ideas ? you have the right to, too !

    fucking stupid mentality

    i don't care when you registered, facts are that defending exploited is the only thing that retained your attention, you're here only for this. There are numerous topics about anarchism and progressive ideas but you prefer to defend a stupid shitty band who like nazism, it says a lot about your personnality when your only interventions on this forum are for defending a band like that

    You did your own research? my ass, you can't even find a picture that appears first on google images

    We gave all links to all soures, now shut the fuck up, get yourself a brain and start reading

    the pictures were posted before (including on this forum) , you're just too stupid to do your own research

    if i read an article about a band with 90% of proven facts and 10% of facts needing more evidence, i'll do my own research (especially when i can find those evidences in a couple of minutes) before openning my bad mouth and start talking shit and saying everything is false

    you don't even know the band you are defending, they all did their army service, they made a song called "exploited barmy army", they are anti-pacifist, etc...

    PUNKS NOT RED IS A RAC/NAZI SLOGAN FUCKING IGNORANT

    wattie an anarchist ??? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A HA HAHAHAHAH

    Oh yeah i forgot, you believe everything they say, when they say they are against fascism its because they are anti-fascist, and when they say "i believe in anarchy" it's because they are anarchist :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

    Wattie an anarchist, one of the most hilarious things i have ever heard

    Go fuck yourself. I gave you enough proof, you are too stupid to search by yourself, i saw this fucking flyer by my own eyes

    blah blah blah, speculations and bullshit again. you will always try to find something to excuse them

    you are totally stupid, when dozens of peoples get beaten up by nazis and when peoples are sent to the hospital YOU FUCKING HEAR ABOUT IT, your excuses are so dumb.... And you still pretend that you're not defending them HAHA

    Fucking ignorant, wattie admitted it himself, his brother admitted it too, there were pictures of him with his head on their myspace before

    AND IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER PICTURES YOU CAN SEE THE SAME TATTOO, IT'S JUST NOT ZOOMED IN

    again, lame excuses

    oh yeah because he made a picture with black peoples it excuse everything !!

    i never said exploited are nazis, i said they have nothing against them and like them

    YOU'RE SO STUPID YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING, we never said they are fascist, you bring up the same fucking stupid excuses that exploited themselves did

    you're a fucking moron dude, never pretend yourself an anarchist or an antifascist again

    fucking exploited fanboy, go back drinking beer and listening to exploited, you have nothing to do on this forum, you are neither an anarchist nor an antifascist, you tolerate nazis
     
  9. ungovernable

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    happy now ? same fucking arm, same fucking tattoo. first picture that come out when i type "wattie" on google images, thats what happens when you have a brain and can do your own research

    but again youre so dumb that you will probably pretend someone else made the same exact tattoo and added a nazi sign hahaha

    this debate will never end, you will always find an excuse even if the proof are everywhere, you're stupid and can't do research on your own because else you would find out that WATTIE ADMITTED IT WAS REAL

    but anyway its just provocation eh its so cool it makes people talk about them

    DUMBASS




    on another note, Dead kennedys song "Nazi punks fuck off" was written against peoples like WATTIE and the exploited (but not only limited to them), and a band member have confirmed it. no wonder why all nazi punks in the world top favorite band is the exploited

    The exploited is one of the worst joke of the punk scene like henry rollins said.
     
  10. Ring Of Truth

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    I think it is sad how this thread has degraded into a childish attack. Protspecd is one hundred percent correct... I was a lit major in college, and being as such when it comes to sources, they need backing, and many times on the internet you will read something that might even sound convincing... but when you really look into it there are no actual sources, just other people regurgitating the same rumours. Ungovernable I also agree with what you have said... when you have backed yourself up with pics and hard facts. However Ungovernable you weaken your credibility to the point of being childish, immature, and straight up idiocy when you attack someone personally with insults because they question the validity of your statements. In honesty Protspecd is very intelligent in asking you to back up your claims with more solid evidence, and since you are the one making the statements it is YOUR obligation to find the credible support to back them up, not his as the reader/critic.

    Dude, Ungovernable you need to learn to take critisizm and not be so reactionary.

    Also the tattoo that you pointed at with the swastika. We all know Wattie is not very intelligent... but you would think that if he is actually a nazi he would know enough to realize that the swastika is only a racist symbol if it is turned counter-clockwise, if it is straight up and down like it is in his tattoo it actually has a drastically different meaning, which was used by many ancient societies including many native american societies. It was perverted by the nazis when it was turned. But I am not defending him, for all I know it could have been a nazi thing, and he really is that think.

    Also one other thing that I wonder about, Charly Harper of the U.K. Subs was friends with Wattie, and also friends with members of Crass... so what does that say? I don't know, I know that Crass and Exploited hated each other, but understandably of course, since one believed in anarchism, and the other band believed in chaos (which is childish and silly, a world of chaos would benefit no one)

    Another thing that bothers me is that you judge a band by their fans. So are Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, 4 Skins, Beerzone, etc. all nazi bands because nazis go to their shows... by that criteria all skin bands are nazi, since nazis are into many skin bands, even if the bands support the ARA and are actively non-racist such as Sham 69.... do you see my point?

    I listened to the Exploited a lot when I was younger, and getting into punk, I don't have much respect for them because their music lacks substance. I do respect their place in the annals of punk history... they are what they are, love them or hate them, I just don't see them worthy of all the time you guys are putting into the argument, couldn't this time be better used for more productive things?

    Whatever, I guess the main point is that Ungovernable you will be more successful in debates if you didn't resort to childish insults and kept it to the facts.
     
  11. Protspecd

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    When did I say it was normal to do those things?
    Look when I made my post to the date I joined. Fail.

    It was a joke, calm down. There is enough evidence to challenge this topic. Of coarse homophobia is bad, I am bisexual for fuck sake. I do know that people use the word faggot freely with no intentions of homophobia, even though the term is homophobic. I know people who are gay and use the term as an insult.

    Of coarse it isn't normal, I wasn't disagree there you. I said this was the evidence I was looking for. (I was on the verge of bringing out the name calling, but I won't go down to your level.)

    What I was saying was these sites tolerate people with fascist/nazi views because it allows the multiple sides to debate without any violence involved. With this maybe we can help change their views? Rather than just shutting them out and making them express their views through more dangerous methods. Of coarse people who criticize the Exploited on their website are going to get banned. That is just pure trolling, it isn't political or anything. Why should they just put up with people flaming them directly?

    Okay, let's just shut them out and not even engage in anything they say or how they think. THAT WILL GET YOU FAR =)

    I would imagine the one who defends freedom of speech because fascists aren't for freedom of speech.

    Wait, when did I call anti-fascists, fascists? Calling me a joke because of my opinion? That is very punk of you man, keep it up. I wouldn't call myself as an Anarchist because I don't live my life like one. My views don''t completely follow the Anarchy way. I disagree with oppression. Why do you have to be anarchist to be on this forum anyways? Couldn't you just like it here because you like understanding others views? You are almost sounding like an elitist twat.

    Actually, I believe I have answered a fair number of arguments.

    Isn't that making it clearer? Asking for the most blatant evidence?

    Wattie has Nazi/Fascist ideals, Wattie does not have Nazi/Fascist ideals. I thought that was what we were arguing? Not if the Exploited is a shitty band, that is down to taste really. The two main arguments are the ones I just stated, it is what we have been debating.

    Hitler. (Being a smartass, no need to get angry again =P)

    Never said it was normal, I was saying there was no evidence behind him having that. Have Nazi fans? That has happened to many bands, denying it would be stupid. A band can't help it if someone with Nazi ideals loves your music. Collaborating with Nazi's to beat up anti-racist band members? I thought the article you showed us was that Nazi fans brawled with Anti-racist fans. Must read over it again. If I saw someone sieg heiling, I would think they had nazi ideals, in those photos Wattie wasn't sieg heiling.

    Didn't say Nazi's were right, I was implying that there will always be racists. If we take away peaceful ways of talking to them, that is just probing them to cause trouble.

    All it was, was to cause controversy, basically trolling (lol). The fact that it is still causing controversy today, means he was successful in causing controversy. Not necessarily fame.

    I am an idiot for challenging your view, you are sounding more fascist after every damn post =P
    The group Antifa is just as bad as the Fascist groups they fight. Both use violence against each other, only fueling the hate. I would rather hang out with people who like debating things without reverting to insults or violence. You are the kind of person that just fuels hatred in this world.

    If you look in my earlier posts, I show that I have searched. What I was saying was I wasn't going to find the statements backing up your claims because that is your job. I don't want to be searching for a while for something that might not even be true. If you are going to make a claim YOU have to back it up.

    I questioned those pictures and gave explanations for some. Saying everything is false? No, I was just questioning the reliability of it. I am not a fucking idiot who just believes anything anyone says. I heard 80% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    I know they did their army service, does that mean that can't be against it? Maybe their views changed after they did their service. Did you know the Barmy Army is actually a group of cricket fans that go to games and chant etc? They probably still held the military group mentality after their service, shit would be hard to forget after. Anti-pacifists, I do disagree with the Exploited for this, but this does not mean the support the idea of the military.

    No, I am just taking into account that the man we are talking about has said for years that he is against fascism. The fact that it is coming out of the guys mouth, the one we are talking about, you must take this into heavy consideration. My statement was more of a question/guess on the information we were discussing at that point.

    *facepalm* Do I even need to go over it again? Fuck...

    No, just coming up with other theories? I mean, you weren't there, you don't know if they were properly informed? I am just coming up with alternative theories. I.. am defending them of these accusations to a certain extent? But I am not a fanboy, as you have stupidly stated.


    I think it was pretty reasonable asking for a head shot with him and the tattoo. If you don't see how that isn't a reasonable request, then again, I would feel very sad for you.

    What I was saying, is that the picture is as valid as other pictures of Wattie with nazi's

    Did I ever say I was an anarchist or antifascist?

    Tell me guys and girls, do you actually respect this member? A guy that uses insults throughout a discussion? Someone who gets pissed at people who don't agree with him? Tell me you don't, hopefully this thread has shown you a side of this guy you didn't know of. Most of your posts heavily implied that they are fascist and have Nazi ideals. All I have been doing is challenging evidence, I have gotten what I wanted. Next time you have a debate, don't resort to name calling throughout the whole thing. Here I thought this site would have a community that would actually respect others. Obviously not. Anyways can't judge the whole community on one complete and utter douche bag.
     
  12. ungovernable

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    i'm done arguing with you, you are a mindless moron.

    What the fuck are you doing here ? you are not an anarchist and not an anti-fascist...

    i wasted enough time with you, you don't want to hear anything, you preach freedom of speech for nazis, you say people should tolerate nazis to try to convert them, and on top of all you say being anti-fascist is acting like a fascist. I have nothing better to answer to bullshit like that than insults.

    go back listening to exploitedd, poserboy

    get yourself a brain and do your own research.

    it's people like you who make this scene mindless and stupid, you don't care of what a band is doing and you will always find excuses for them, you probably also like rancid and sex pistols because you see nothing wrong with them.
     
  13. punkmar77

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    I'm not going to call you names Protspecd, but your arguments are full of holes. Wattie tolerates, finances, supports, encourages, fascism.....period. Its been proven many times over by many many people. Maybe Ungov lost his patience with you, we've all done it at one point or another on this forum. I think he's provided more than enough excuses for you to realize it is all true but if you wish to think otherwise that is completely your perogative. Just don't expect the rest of antifa on here to agree with your ostrich ways.....cheers. :beer:
     
  14. Protspecd

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    Again with they assumptions. "You say being anti-fascist is acting like a fascist", no I said being against freedom of speech is less fascist that being against it. There so many ways of going about this than going into insults, you are just an asshole.

    I think I said earlier that I got what I came for, don't know how or why I kept going. Just as ungov was saying, there are different arguments and I was just exploring the other side. Most of the time, the exploited threads go 'Are the Exploited fascists?', someone goes YES and that is the end of it. I decided to try and put the other argument on the table while also questioning some of the evidence used against them that seem to be full of holes. Yes, people lose patience, but why not just say I will not argue you with anymore because I personally don't see the point. Why insult with almost every paragraph within his post, that's just childish and do we really want a community like that on here? Seriously, would you rather people that can debate like adults or have a discussion where everyone is getting all personal and immature. I always thought Wattie had a shit side to him but hey, at least I got even more evidence against him right? I even found some stuff for him during this. It was interesting to say the least, I find it fascinating how there is strong evidence for and against. I hope next time I get into some debate on here it isn't just 50% insults thrown by an immature member. I would have rather debated with someone far wiser.
     
  15. Ivanovich

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    Army Life is about his time in army, it's killing him, he says. The 'Barmy Army' is just what they called fans, nothing to do with military service at all. Not keen on them, music isn't up to much, just same three songs with different lyrics, but anyway, what I wanna know is: If Wattie really is big No.1 nazi boy, why I never heard any nazi lyrics from him, and why does he deny it?
     
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    because there is no future in being a fullout Nazi band, thats why he put out that anti-nazi proclemation. He's not stupid when it comes to trying to hide his true beliefs, he knows most punks, not all, but most, would want nothing to do with him if he showed his racism blatantly.

    p.s. I am currently in contact with 3 of the 4 original members of Solucion Mortal and am trying to get the assault story compiled in detail from them.
     
  17. Ivanovich

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    For over 30 years ???
     
  18. ungovernable

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    Who said wattie is #1 nazi boy ? What you are saying is bullshit, no one ever pretended he is a nazi, he's just VERY FAR from being anti-nazi, he's definatly AMBIGUOUS

    Anti-fascism is not only about opposing to nazis but also to peoples who hang out with nazis and tolerate nazism, start to learn what anti-fascism is about then come back talking with us.
     
  19. Ivanovich

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    Yeah, I was fighting NF before you was even born, wtf do I know.
     
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    i unno. i think i can chill with some one knowing they are facist. as long as they are not going around doing liek hateful things to other people and stuff. if i were with them and they were just acting like a person then i could live with it. its just when people are doing outright hatful things thats just demeing and oppressive then i got problems
     
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