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Biafra isnt what he used to be

Discussion in 'Entertainment and off-topic discussions' started by Bakica, Sep 4, 2010.

  1. Bakica

    BakicaExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Ok. Was on a concert last night, Jello Biafra and Guantanamo school of medicine ( if someone doesnt know - Jello Biafra is a singer from Dead Kennedys, and he is in his new band Guantanamo school of medicine ; Guantanamo is a prison in Kuba, correct me if I am wrong). Oke, here comes the problem, Biafra is too famous, no one knows whats he talking about everyone want to see him, but they dont care about his songs, which are indeed very good. But, first, there were no barricades ( dont know how its spelled, the thing on a concert that keeps us from the stage) but there were some bodygourds. So I expected, as I heard, thet Jello will allow us to go on a stage and dance and do the stuff we like, like before ( I watched some live Dead Kennedys movies ) but no, the concert was well organized, Jello pushed everyone who came on a stage down, and I felt like "hej fuck you Jello, yeah you are pretty good singer, and you have the point in your songs and a very good message but you are too famous". So this topic isnt about Jello, but about all famous punk bands..they are different, people come to see them just becouse they are famouse..this isnt good, right? sorry for posting this, but this ruined my whole concert, and they, when I saw my friend being pushed down by Jello. I think hes too old :lmao:
     

  2. ungovernable

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    it's not just because he's famous.... A lot of bands doesn't like drunk idiot punks to go on stage and yell bullshit in the micro. I know a lot of very serious anarchist bands who hire people to push away the people who want to get on the stage

    if the band doesn't like that, it's their right...

    Jello is cool but i disagree with him on a few points. Trying to be the mayor of San Francisco was really stupid. And he's on Alternative Tentacles for his official label, who refuse to let us share Jello's song for free.
     
  3. Bakica

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    yeah I must agree with you. Dont know why he wanted to be part of some politics. maybe he wanted a change, dont know.
    Whats with Alternative Tentacles? refuse to..?
    well yeah, but it was like the whole concert was organized and if someone did something that they didnt plan they would kick him out, and thats what makes me angry, and not to say that the ticket cost around 20 euro ( i mean its not a problem to me but punk isnt about making money, and I think they made a mistake with ticket price.) And something felt wrong about Jello, like he came here just to sing not to do anything else..I dont know..its just it seems hes a rocker not a punker, like he IS sending a message, but he is not trying to convince people his opinions.


    "a lot of bands doesnt like drunk idiot punks to go on stage and yell bullshit in the micro " - Yeah, but its the part of the fun. Thats why I love going on local bands concerts becouse there is no stage, everyone can sing, and no one is going to hurt singer or somthing.
     
  4. Jameson

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    It was probably just the venue, or he's just tired from doing the tour.
    When he came here earlier in the tour he let tons of people on the stage and even sang from inside the crowd.


    Lee Ving though, he's a fucking douche. Fear came here with D.I. and Agent Orange.
    The whole time Lee was in the very back of the stage and kept threatening to get off stage if anyone threw anything. You could tell that the guys from the other bands had to baby him the whole time because they really wanted to do the tour. Since they didn't hire bodygaurds or anything D.I. had to just stand at the edge of the stage and keep people from coming up or throwing things.

    It was pretty dissapointing since I'm a huge Fear fan.
     
  5. snookams

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    lee ving has gotten fat and dyed his hair....he'd probably be better off playing at fucking country clubs now (hahah i love irony)
     
  6. Anxiety69

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    It's not the bands fault if they become TOO FAMOUS and young kids get into it not for the message. I don't understand the rant. Jello certainly does his part by tryiong to educate people through his lyrics, and if people just like it for the music, what should he do? Play intentionally shitty music? Maybe you should stick to just seeing him do spoken word or something. Also Jello is like 25 years older then when DK was together, so maybe he doesn;t have the strength to deal with drunken idiots who crash the stage, also he was attacked a few times by people who felt that he was well known in the punk scene was justification to beat him up. So I see it as a smart thing. I hate stage divers anyway.

    so I don't know what you are complaining about, or why.
     
  7. punkmar77

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    I agree with Anxiety and Ungov on this one Bakica, and i find it funny you quote that song and then complain when he doesn't conform to a punk cliche.... :lmao:
     
  8. dwtcos

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    some people don't enjoy that stage jumping bullshit. myself included.
     
  9. ungovernable

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    Yep sometimes the venue just doesnt want to let people get on stage, it's their rule or they care about the security of artists.

    Sometimes well known anarchist bands are also targetted by nazis, for example Berurier Noir the most famous french anarchist punk band was always targetted by neo-nazis at gigs so they had to hire a crew of antifa skinheads to push away the people to avoid that they get on the stage, it solved many problems and they stopped being beaten up at gigs...
     
  10. Bakica

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    I quote that song becouse its good, I didnt say the song are bad, or that Dead Kennedys are bad.

    Oke how about this

    "youll pay 10 bucks to see me, on a 15 foot high stage, fat ass bouncers kick the shit out a kids who try to dance"
    (songs called Pull my strings)
    first, I paid more then 10 bucks to see him, secound he was kind of fat ass bouncer who pushed kids away.

    Well, all of you, I see your point. But I think he was more liberate when he was younger, and was playing in DK. And thats the Jello I wanted to see :/

    And yeah, somethings really interesting. He has the same belt with the metal star from like 30 years ago :p
     
  11. Bananaman

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    Jello still has it as much as he ever had it...

    I'm just back from the show, and it was great. New songs really sound great just like classic DK stuff. He was as theatrical as ever. He let other people take the mic and sing pieces of DK songs. He didn't mind the stage divers or people just climbing on stage and dancing. Jello even jumped off stage himself twice. Only thing he complained about was that stage was too wet and slippy at one point (from all the sweet, tears and beer)... His comments between songs were witty and as political as ever. He even educated himself about local politics a little bit... It was a great show.
     
  12. DirtyRottenThrashPunk

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    I don't see what's stupid about that, I mean sure, he could never make everything perfect on his own, epsecially in a position like mayor, but why not try to at least make stuff a little better? Not everything's all or nothing, better 50% for something than 100% against it, the way I see it (that's why when I hit 18 I'll still be voting for the libs even though I'm far more left than them)
     
  13. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    I dont mind stage diving, i guess its because i do have the strength and power to deal with being jumped on, or throwing kids over me when they come to land on me, but it adds fun for me to a pit and at least their not fucking stupid circle pitting or skanking, which i think is worse than stage diving, but not as bad as punching the ground or the air, or throwing kicks, man i hate that shit.

    About Jello, yea hes old, your lucky he didnt have a cane or a whip and beat you guys off the stage, i would if i was his age.
     
  14. Caps

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    I still love Jello and love the DKs' music. However, he's definitely more of a moderate than I am and probably most of us here. I still agree with a lot of what he says but he's certainly open to criticism. After all, "anarchy sounds good to me Then someone asks, "Who'd fix the sewers?"
     
  15. punkmar77

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    This from the remaining DK's and Neurosis today:


    Dead Kennedys November 19 at 2:05pm Report
    (We’ve been asked to send this from East Bay Ray)

    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.” - JFK

    Unfortunately the Dead Kennedys’ Facebook page has recently been invaded by a small group of Jello Biafra followers (and fake accounts) posting false information about Klaus Flouride, D. H. Peligro and myself. Needless to say, it feels really awful when people spread lies about you. So to let folks know what actually happened, here again is what our lead singer did to us.

    Jello Biafra is a very talented person, we collaborated on great music together and he is exceptionally outspoken, but talent and outspokenness do not indicate character. To put it simply, he betrayed Klaus, D. H. and myself, and what Dead Kennedys stand for-- behind our backs he stole song writing credit and skimmed royalties from us, not the other way around.

    When his selfishness was ultimately proven, Biafra used his position and charisma to spread lies and malicious myths about us to cover up and distract from his own betrayal of us and Dead Kennedys. And we still hear those lies being thoughtlessly spread by people who have no first hand knowledge of the situation. The experience was one of the worst things for Klaus, D. H. and I to have to go through. And it was devastating to learn that the ideals that Biafra spoke of meant nothing to him, they’re just there for his image, he only looks out for himself.

    So now that the band Neurosis finally has the rights back to their record which was on Alternative Tentacles, "Enemy of the Sun," they can speak out about how Biafra stole from them just like he stole from East Bay Ray, Klaus Flouride and D. H. Peligro.

    Fortunately, Dead Kennedys music is larger than any one personality and we hope that our music and basic message lives on - don't be a lemming, think for yourself. Onward.

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    excerpt of interview:
    Scott Kelly of Neurosis: The Hellbound Interview
    By Justin M. Norton

    Question: For those who haven’t seen the new reissue [of "Enemy of the Sun"], how is the album different from the last remastering done in 1999?

    Answer: It’s not a whole lot different. The tracks are all the same. The packaging is different. It’s’ just the first time Neurosis has been able to claim the album. It’s always been out there. We just wanted to take the initial pressing back from Alternative Tentacles and stop the bleeding. Now we’ve established this label, painstakingly put things together. The label is viable on some level and definitely the place to find our music. As we get back the rights to our records we’ll re-release more.

    Question: What happened with AT?

    Answer: Alternative Tentacles ripped us off. That’s the simple version. They cooked the books and we called them on it. They accused us of all sorts of things and being greedy. And it was only about $3000!

    It was basically an honor thing. There was no honor there. I don’t know what to say about it except that I was proud to be on the label when they approached us to do us records. We held them in high regard and it couldn’t be further from that now.

    Question: Label head Jello Biafra (former singer of the Dead Kennedys) also lost a lawsuit filed by his former band mates essentially claiming he’d been withholding royalties on the back catalog.

    Answer: They won in court because they were correct. If he would rip us off for a small amount of money then he’d go after them for huge amount of money. When is the last time he had to punch a clock or worry about rent? He doesn’t. Who lives in a house on the hill? He does. I live in a trailer in the woods. I have a day job and always have. What he did to his fellow band mates is all there in black and white.

    Scott Kelly of Neurosis: The Hellbound Interview | Hellbound.ca
    www.hellbound.ca
    Justin M. Norton sits down with metal pioneer Scott Kelly of Neurosis to discuss the re-issue of 1993's critically acclaimed "Enemy of the Sun."

    Alternative Tentacles has really lost my respect over the years :@
     
  16. vAsSiLy77

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    so it's not only rumors - shit, shit, shit... :ecouteurs:
     
  17. rustyvagrant

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    i can see the point that's trying to be made, but focusing just on the simple "stage bullshit," i know from playing shows myself, it can get pretty annoying. It's cool when people know the words and wanna sing, or if someone wants to stage dive, but when drunk punx and fake kids hop on up and start trashing shit, and starting fights, it's just fucking obnoxious and there's no respect for that. it's 2010, not 1977. That whole anarchy as a statement of simply "fuckinig shit up," rather than my whole viewpoint of "fixing shit up," was cool back when "being punk" was about safety pins and dope, but people are just straight tired of it now.
     
  18. Shuei

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    Can't see the big problem in him not wanting people on stage...

    I think Biafra is one of the last punk rock stars that hasn't completely sold out. I like him a lot
     
  19. vAsSiLy77

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    ... is a really good viewpoint, you made my day today, but punk in general never had this important insight and drunken punx and fake kids may have always played their part in it but I think we always lacked the view on the "pro" beside all the "anti" we felt. There were exception from this rule too, I will always remember the early years in the germun scene where lots of people cared for something like fun AND safety, and I guess the scene was more political then as in later times.
     
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