Arguement Thread 1

Re: Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

People need to stop throwing around the word "fascist" on this website. Not only does it make you sound completely histrionic, but it's just lazy to resort to labeling people as whatever the profane category in your ideology is. If you've got a problem, make a real critique.

 

Re: Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

I also followed that up by citing specific instances. You're original statement at least strongly implied there were a substantial amount of neo-nazis and law enforcement, therefore, being representative, at least to some degree. Moreover, all I said, all I said, was that this is a very tiny percentage of the millions of men and women in uniform. Then it's suddenly world-war-whatever-the-fuck, over what is really an incredibly inoccuous statement. This led me to the obvious conclusion that this was being disputed.

As for Ungovernable's statement, I re-read it afterwards and he does use the phrase "an army", not "the army." I either missed that, or, and I'm sure I'm going to be accused of being a nazi racist whatever for even pointing this out ,but his english isn't 100% so I may have read a bit more into it. At worst it was it was an honest misinterpretation.

I don't want to assume too much here but it sounds as though you're suggesting my characterization of Ungovernable's views on the "anarchist philosopher" thread was incorrect. I restate that I did not accuse him of anything he didn't personally say, or strongly imply. Other users have also made the same observations, as well.

Moreover, that's fundamentally different, because there's virtually no room left for misinterpretation, on the central issues at least, because there's so much material to go on. A sentence can be taken out of context, but after ten pages it should be pretty clear. This is why it amazes me that what I've said has been horribly mischaracterized or misunderstood after it's been made abundantly clear.

No, I won't give an inch on that. Ungovernable alone has posted pages worth of obscenities and hatred at me. Add to that Anom, Butcher, etc. I've admitted I'm lacking in the social graces but I have never produced even a tenth of the vitriol, and nastiness I have received. There's absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Even Back2front has pointed this out, and we don't like eachother very much. However, there is a world of fucking difference between disagreeing with someone and launching this kind of personal crusade. A few weeks ago I might've been able to be somewhat sympathetic because I know I can be a bit rough around the edges, but not after the avalanche of shit I have received. It's completely off the scale.

 

Twice, now.

 

You just DID censor all other opinions. You also said or implied everything I attributed to you.

Several other users interpreted you're words the same way I did, and frankly you're living down to my estimation of you.

Stop right fucking there. You call me "piece of shit", "dumbass", "asshole" and you're getting pissy because I don't answer your every fucking question like a dancing bear? I have answered your questions for nearly a dozen pages, I've answered the same questions dozens of times. I have gone far above and beyond in answering questions, explaining, and re-explaining.

I don't believe violent revolution is a good idea right now or in any immediate future in western society. I am convinced it would create much more death and misery than we already live with.

I also would remind you that this has nothing to do with the original question. I'm going to try to explain it again, although I know it's pointless. Even if there were a law of physics that made it impossible not to eat beef, it still wouldn't be consistent with Hinduism. You're arguing what is or is not feasible doesn't have anything to do with ideological consistency.

If you want to beat bad ideas, teach people. Explain things. Have public debates. Build schools. Come up with better arguments. If you have to censor people you only prove your ideas aren't strong enough to withstand criticism.

He doesn't call himself an Anarchist anymore, but his ideology hasn't changed. He just doesn't label himself that way anymore.

Also, this is not true. Many Anarchists believe in free speech, and they should because it's the only consistent position. It's really tragic because so many Anarchists fought so hard, and some even died for freedom of speech. Emma Goldman was a crusader on this issue. In fact, one of the Anarchists' biggest criticism of the Soviet government was the oppression of free speech.

You have absolutely no right to say I've been insulting after what you've said to me. There is no comparison at all.

When did you ever give an inch on anything? Who the fuck is "us"? I am talking to YOU. Anybody else can speak for themselves. I'm not sure what ultimate truth means. I have my beliefs because based on what I have read and I have seen and learned, they are true, to the best of my determination. Otherwise, I wouldn't believe them. I am not going to change my most deeply held beliefs simply because you disagree. That would require a hell of a lot more than anybody's offered so far. If anybody actually wants to have a serious, intelligent, adult conversation about philosophy, I'm game. However, it doesn't look like anybody's interested in that.

 

Re: Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

SHUT UP YOU FASCIST ASS FASCIST FUCK

Nah... but id like to argue about this name calling. Everyone does it, if you say you dont then you are wrong and you know your wrong because you know you do do it. But like the above quote says, ill make it a REAL CRITIQUE of you, and if i feel your being a fucking bitch, or douchebag or pussy, im gunna say it.

And about saying pussy and stuff is sexist, if women can say it to me (and they do) then im going to say it back. Im for EQUAL rights of men and women, nothing more nothing less.

 

Re: Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

Or else you could tell her to cop the hell on and stop saying it...and if she doesn't then ignore her?! I know people who say "faggot", but just because they say it doesn't mean I should copy them...to me that seems like such a childish way of dealing with things.
I also hope that just because some women say it, that you think it's acceptable to say it to all women. I'm not saying that you do or anything, just it wasn't clear from what you said.

 

Re: Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

No, i dont say words like that just because they do, im just saying that women around me say that, including faggot and such. And i dont use it willy nilly, but it does come out once in a while and im just trying to say that im not a piece of crap for saying it, or sexist.

 

Re: Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

Veg Barb, I'm fine with name calling, I just think it's lazy to nazi-bait people.

...you obstreperous ass-polyp.