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Are We Trumped Up?

Diskussion i 'General political debates' startad av crassclown, 13 januari 2025.

  1. Starfighter

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    I'm aware. :) But I didn't know it was called Gitmo, I guess Guantánamo is a tricky word to remember. But why "it" in there? Ganmo would have made more sense if you ask me.
     
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    I have no idea. I just knew that's the abbreviation.
     
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    How do you guys feel about Musk and that GOGE thing? Should he be hung up or what?
     
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    Giving a billionaire unrestricted access to millions of private citizens personal information? What could go wrong?

    Oh...I'm hung up...on all of it...
     
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  5. Spike one of many

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    Good question, I never really thought about it before. Here's the explanation I got from Google: "The base acquired the nickname Gitmo, from the Navy call signal GTMO".
     
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  6. Rune

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    Oh that makes sense.

    Also that government efficiency thing is just a vile excuse for them to make people suffer more. Here in Australia, the opposition leader is basically Trump but if he was smart and looked like Voldemort crossed with a potato. Said leader has also created his own government thing that's similar to DOGE, except it has the richest woman in Australia (who's also my cousin) backing it.
     
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    Really? Are you single? Just kidding :p
     
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    Yeah. LMAO. She's not a close relation... thankfully XD
     
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    *You hear a loud "popping" sound in the background*. Oh well... XD

    Has anyone mentioned Trump's grand ideas to annex Greenland, the Panama Canal, and Gaza?

    EDIT: And he wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America" WTF??
     
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  10. ungovernable

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    As a Canadian it truly feels like watching the Season Finale of Idiocracy... How did Americans vote for this fascist after everything he has done? He was literally on the record saying immigrants eat dogs and cats during the debate, and the lunatic still got elected. Unbelievable.

    On a pessimist note, my opinion is we are entering a dark time in history. It's not just Donald Trump. This will be a dynasty, like the Bush and the Kennedy. When Trump is gone, assuming he doesn't find a way to stay in power (he said he would want to be president for life like Xi in China, and Republican senators are currently trying to amend the constitution to allow a 3rd mandate) then if it's not him one of his sons will just replace him. Trump's sons are as dangerous as him and they also have a lot of followers and are well-placed to become the next presidential candidate. Trump started a movement and went further than any president, America will never be the same again.

    On a positive note, the dark times are when anarchism and radical activism shine. Take ANY revolution or any massive social movement in the history - they all happened when things were bad as fuck. Revolutions don't happen when you give people everything they want, when poverty doesn't exist and people don't feel oppressed. Revolutions happen when Tyrans take power and people lose their freedom. That's why I never believed in voting for the lesser evil. Just let the shit hit the fan and capitalism will self-destruct and fall. Reforms just prevent the inevitable and delay the revolution. I'm not some sort of crazy accelerationist but I feel like repairing capitalism is just helping the system to maintain itself.

    There is a lot of historical data that confirms this theory. Take just this forum for example, and it's the same phenomenon for every single website we host. When Trump took power, traffic exploded on every activist website we host. It doubled then tripled at some point. People are angry and want to take action and get informed on what's going on. Then when Biden won, it was a quiet and boring 4 years. We didn't see as many protests as during Trump's first mandate. Even the Black Lives Matter movement nearly died. USA is a very polarized society and when far-right gain traction it only further divides the society and forces everyone to take sides, which is ironically good for our cause.

    The exact same situation happened when the far-right almost took power in France. The activity on ALL our sites tripled overnight. Then we got the election result and everyone realized that the left coalition won. The traffic went back down to normal. This is not just a coincidence. When the right takes power, the left is more active in the streets. When the people get reforms, they go back home. Same shit happened here in Quebec in 2012 with the student strikes. It was the biggest strike we had ever seen. That was until a political candidate (Pauline Marois, PQ) ran with the promise to give students what they wanted (cancel the student fees increase). As soon as they won, students went back home and the protests stopped. Reforms killed the momentum. And everyone got scammed because they didn't even keep promises.

    Now let's put back everything I just said into context - I am a Canadian and I was never faced with a situation like that. Even our worst far-right politician isn't even nearly as bad as Trump. There is no far-right candidate here, no MAGA movement, nobody that wants to deport millions of immigrants, and no political candidate that could be considered fascist. So to be honest, I have no fucking idea what I would do during an election if I was confronted with the reality of Trump taking power and deporting friends. I don't think I would have ever been able to vote for Biden. Kamala was a little better, but still very liberal. I'm not going to judge any of you if you voted for them. But there's a French saying that goes by "It's like choosing between plague and cholera", both will end up killing you but one might give you a little bit more time...
     
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    How do you guys feel about Musk and that GOGE thing? Should he be hung up or what?
    Yeah, What a moron.
     
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    I'm just concerned it'll spill over here, as we have a federal election coming up this year, plus a state election next month.
     
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    Its all bad...Like all of it
     
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    Musk is using kids for minions as he's digging into our privacy.
    Trump and his stooges just threatened to squash the Constitution! And because of false claims he has against Kamala Harris and
    CBS NEWS, Trumps is suing CBS News, and threatened to revoke their broadcasting license [unless they admit that they edited
    Harris's '60 Minutes' interview (which they didn't!)].

    CAN ANYBODY STOP THIS SCUMBAG???
     
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    Side note: We have it in swedish as well, exactly the same words! "Det är som att välja mellan pest och kolera". We have a game that's called "Pest eller kolera" (Plague or cholera) where person 1 give person 2 two shitty options to choose from. Like "Plague or cholera: Never be allowed to go outside again or never be allowed to go inside again?" And then a heated debate on why the other person is wrong.

    The last one I got was "Plague of cholera: Have 30 cm long hair that can't be cut off on every finger, or have a hairline that starts at the eyebrows", and I went with the former.

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. Spike one of many

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    I'm also familiar with that game but I didn't know there was a name for it :)
     
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    Move to Canada :)
     
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  18. Rune

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    Or here
     
  19. Wormsley Snailskin

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    I believe, ultimately, it has to be an apolitical grassroots change in the idea of community. to quote Bakunin "Liberty is therefore a feature not of isolation but of interaction, not of exclusion but rather of connection."
    Trump didn't win the majority vote and his "followers" have been propagandized in every possible way for decades. If Democracy is dead, as has been decried, than we (or me, or you) need to act as if it will no longer be a refuge of recompense. We must not only take care of our neighbors, but make them understand (over time) that this sense of community and goodness is the only way that they will ultimately find themselves "free" How this is manifested is in the every acts of service, kindness and education that people like us can provide. Make them hate themselves for loving Trump and MAGA. Not on social media but in their lives. Get off social media.
    Also, this is America owning a firearm and training with it is culturally acceptable. Join those circles and spread your ideas. Don't isolate....integrate and educate.

    That's my plan. Take care of my neighbors. If my choices are oligarchy or corporatism, I choose the people.
    (probably worthless advise, but I live in Texas...we won't be winning any head to head battles)
     
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  20. nick007

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    I'm really not sure what can realistically be done right now. Trump & his cronies have control over the military, law enforcement, & majority of civilians with powerful weapons like assault rifles & such. Trump is rewriting the laws & constitution at will to punish his enemies & the government even has the power to digitally spy on people. The left may be in the majority but the right majorly overpowers us. We can not fight back if we're dead or locked up & never heard from again. Also if we're willing to break our country's own pre-Trump laws in order to resist, wouldn't we be be hypocrites? We should not claim to support the rule of law & the constitution if we're willing to toss it aside in our efforts to stop Trump. About the only thing we can do is try to work within the system by voting & encouraging others to vote aka grassroots activism which majorly failed in the last election & it seems like Americans forgot what Trump was like once he left office after his first term ended.
     
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