Anti-Semitism

People are a little ignorant when it comes to this topic Anxiety because no other religion is so closely tied into one race...the Hebrews. To reject Jewishness is to reject a people, to reject Judaic Scripture or modern Zionist agendas in my most humble opinion, is not anti-Semitic. Some anarchists and left libertarians blur these lines and it is quite insulting. Also the word 'hate' gets thrown around much to easily, if militant anarchists are hating anything then they are not creating a revolution from feelings of love but from the bitterness of hate which we all know leads to disastrous consequences (Cambodia). I don't hate Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists... however I am vehemently opposed to their forms of 'spiritual' indoctrination. There is a clear and distinct difference....

 

Traits and features in humans aren't exclusive because of race but because of the conditions in which people have evolved. Also it would appear that such traits are sometimes inherited (not always) from common ancestors living in close communities (followers of the Jewish religion will most likely end up marrying someone who is also Jewish). This is all very dependable, but being a quarter maori, I don't exhibit typical maori traits such as broad shoulders and large height or even the dark complexion. This is because my maori genes aren't as dominant in my DNA as my Caucasian genes.

I know that, there is numerous groups in Israel and even religious groups who believe what the Nation of Israel is doing is wrong. Anarchists against the Wall is one such group.

Its a religious and "racial" war, they are both as bad as each other. They essentially have the same common ancestor and are both considered Semitic much to their governments denial.

I have no problem with people believing in imaginary friends so long as they keep it to themselves and do not coerce such ridiculous beliefs and prejudices on other people. I believe we should be able to criticize religion regardless of how taboo and insensitive it may be because it is still a form of dominant hierarchy. I also believe their should be distinction between "Race" and Religion because religion is not apart of someones DNA. You can't say someones born a christian therefore christian is a race, so why should it apply to Judaism.

 

Ok, let's get one thing straight, there no such thing as race, it's fucking invention, a lie invented by racists. A racist don't hate a race, there no such thing, he hates what he thinks is a race, which can be just about anything cos it's all bullshit. I hate the USA, as a nation, particularly it's government, and admit that I bit bias against people that live there cos a lot seem to reflect the worst of it, and while this is prejudice, it not racism cos I don't think they a race, nor xenophobia cos it just one nation, though maybe you could call it culturism. I dunno if that word exists. Even so, I wouldn't say I hate them. Hating any individual just cos they part of some artificially imposed grouping seems like a real dumb thing to do. Anyway, jews not a race, but hating them might be racist, if he think they a race.

 

It's just genetic traits, means nothing, would you call everyone with brown eyes a race? Doubt it. Human gene pool been distributed so much over time, we all fucking mongrels. Who cares. Yeah, most 'jews' I spoke to don't agree with the shit the state of Israel does, same as I don't agree with what UK state does. We all individuals and anyone that thinks otherwise is fucking idiot.

 

Agreed

Alright if we agree with that notion(the one above) and followers of the Jewish faith believe they are the chosen race of god (gods children) then they therefore may or may not believe their are inherent faults in other races? Such as the notion floated by most religions that you need to believe in God (specifically 'our' god) or else your doomed to eternal damnation. Obviously its not quite that simplistic but if you read through the bible (great science fiction by the way), it contains endless accounts of racial genocide, most often perpetuated by the sons of Moses (author of the Torah).

Its not nice to make assumptions on people like that. I want to have a genuine conversation about this subject without being patronised.

Hmm, I will be honest and say I don't have any solid evidence or statistic (nor I expect anyone does) to refute the above but Christians (particularly Catholics) have copped it tough throughout history as well: Roman suppression of Christianity up until Constantine, Northern+Southern Ireland conflict, Crusades, Reformation etc. Irrespective of a numerical figure the most abhorrent occurrence in recent times was the Holocaust and all due respect to the Jewish victims, the holocaust should perhaps not be an viewed exclusively as a Jewish tragedy as its estimated 11 million people from various other groups the Nazis didn't agree with perished in a similar fashion.

I will accept what you said a little later about it being cultural heritage. The racial term Semite, is used to indicate a group from a geographical area descended from a common ancestor including Arabs, Hebrews, and Assyrians, its essentially an umbrella term. Jews happen to document themselves as the race of God as back in those days, no body had any concept of evolution or how related they were to each other. There are numerous Jewish break away religions who clearly racially don't identify as Semites: Rastafarian's, Falasha, Bnei Menashe and Lemba are just a few. They genuinely believe they are descended from Abraham in some way and identify as Jews.

 

Just cos they might label you as that don't mean you got accept the label. I born in UK, baptised catholic, and I reject both, hate both. I hardly spend any time there any more. I got a passport with British Citizen on it so I free to move around, but the fucker does not own me.

 

We're splitting hairs when it comes to the relevance of the word 'race', for all reasonable and scientific purposes you two are right there are no races but the Human Race and that has been proven genetically.....but there are different cultures of humans and that's where the word 'race' comes into play. In layman's terms, race = culture + predominant genetic trait.

 

That depends are you of Ashkenazi or Sephardic lineage.

Ashkenazi are from Eastern Europe and the rest of the Europe in general.

Sephardic Jews are from Spain, Middle East (Yemen, Morocco...etc) and Ethiopia.

There are differences in appearance and ethnic traditions to a certain extent and language varies. The Ashkenazi traditionally spoke Yiddish for the last thousand years (my equal first language to English). The Sephardic Jewish lingua franca was Ladino which had mix of Spanish/Arabic/Persian/etc in it.

It's on both sides of my family (Polish Jews and German Jews), I was brought up in a secular household, my mother is an Atheist, my father and myself don't bother with any of it but I wouldn't start throwing anti-Jewish stuff about the place or I will get nasty cos it is my background and heritage that we are talking about here.

I say anti-Jewish instead of anti-semitic because SEMITES are supposed to be descendants of SHEM who funnily enough come from THE MIDDLE EAST!!! So if there is anti-Arab rhetoric thrown about it is also anti-semitic.

 

Anxiety the reason why you don't seem to feel as much for the Christians who died under the rule of Nero as much as the Jews and others who died under the Nazi death machine is for the following reasons.



Emperor Nero came to power in........ 51AD


WWII & the Holocaust......... 1939AD-1945AD



Difference in time helps. The more recent events (compared to Roman Era) are more raw to people today than the persecution from a dead civilisation.

 

especially when there are still holocaust survivors alive...

 

Nah, it aint just that. Christians have caused far more suffering over the last two thousand years than jews ever did.

 

I'm a devout atheist so I find it aborant that Jewish people believe in God, no matter what their beliefs in detail are. Semitism speaks to ethnicity, not race. Judism, as with all RELIGION is meant to be all inclusive and that forms the structural basis (Synagogue, diet restrictions, ritual etc.) The heritage comes solely from within that specific structure and is melded with geographical norms. A high society New Yorker who is Jewish may share structural contraints with someone from eastern Europe but culturally would be vastly different.

I could care less about the cultural implications with regard to semitism as a whole but, Judism, as someone above has said is still religion and thus hierarchical. You can eat as many motzah balls as you want and believe those habits to be of utmost importace. Fine. I can't stop that from hapining and wouldn't want to, but when they start to speak religiously about things that they understand as "fact" tbut only have lore and to support them, then I critique; and harshly. Go onward with whatever cultural habits you want, I simply want those habits to be rooted in logic and not myth.

 

I think Hitler was wrong to conclude that Jews were a race and simply used it as a scapegoat for butchery. Again, I believe Jewish endogmy is responsible for much of the jewish "race" debate.

 

Yeah, Hitler was a racist.

 

Yeah, and its fucking amazes me that the people fell for all his bullshit, cos he not tall, blond hair, blue eye, not even German. Ok, in danger of being a bit culturist/racist against germans, but I know this guy that lived there couple years, he said they well weird, they obey rules even when they know they wrong, or don't make any sense. Maybe that's it.