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Anarchy vs Communism

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Probe, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. punkmar77

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    He was pointing at his share of the Siberian diamond fields! :p
     
  2. nike

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    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: HIS siberian diamond fields!
     
  3. nike

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    may i ask if izz yours up there on the fence with all that orthodoxy on yours head and the blonde invisible man to the right -
    a later peoplez commissar?
     
  4. vAsSiLy77

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    Yours may ask, but'cher won't be told - it's the !invisible peoplez committee! (the visibles are the audience!)
    announcing the next
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    And the mines of the sleeping beauty are this way 'round!
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  5. nike

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    because you were mean to me i will start reading the silvio gesell and the "natural economic order" too - and it's your fault alone!
    :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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  6. butcher

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    FIVE BEER PLAN! FIVE BEER PLAN! FIVE BEER PLAN!
     
  7. nike

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    i honestly intended to post something dead serious and meaningful and educational and worthwile too about the topic, to further the cause of the working class and lead the masses forward to their final and glorious self-liberation - but now i have to face dire truth after the second night of proof - that the so-called "invisible committee" is in reality only a rock'n'roll swindle:
    not only promoting the 5-beers-plan to catch the unwary, but to secretly infect the class consciousness of the workers with the BLONDE entity known to the public as stilettosblondiedeborahharry too:
    a 45-minutes acoustic workers choir version of this reactionary indoctrination finally broke my resistance and i covered myself with the folds of the sacred black banner and fled the field still held by the seduced and misguided and intoxicated howling to the moons:
    Arise, ye wretched of the earth! & down with peroxide blondes: this IS punk - bomben auf landsberg!
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-QfKlq3Jks&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
  8. vAsSiLy77

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    Nike Mihailowna, I see reading gesell :o and the natural economix :ecouteurs: doesn't do you any good :ecouteurs: - cease it at an instant and ask the part timer for his unique version of Buddy Holly's/Blondies "I'm gonna love you too" - to further your understanding of pop as an revolutionary and inspiring act of the masses - sorry for possible negative sideeffects, but this kind of shock-treatment seems to be necessary in your case of stubborn ignorance.
    I'm gonna do my best to hook ya' after all is said and done...
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    And if yours really want to know what punk is, ask citizen gobblez for a performance of "brass in pocket"
    (I know people who really hate him just for that one!)
     
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  10. nike

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    ah yess, i see, blonded by peroxides:
    the complete peoples commissariat, the central committee, marx brother lacan-zizek too, okay not very surprising in the case of this bummer using class as a sort of deus ex machina to play the role of the good guy and my fav from the comments summarises in one simple sentence:
    and i will never forgive him for pulling Spencer Tunick into his mess of a argumentation - lousy gaga, hu!
    too late to say sorry, my hopes for a revolutionary future, my good tastes and my confidence in humanity are shaken, a former playboyz bunny as an inspiration for the masses! no wonder the fundamentalists are on the rise!
    (at least some resistance is forming up, brave Eve leads the chorus of "viva la FAI!" each time the "rehearsing" stage crew is turning up their blaster - doors and windows wide open to tell of their disgrace: doo bee doo... o_O )
     
  11. vAsSiLy77

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    To put the Peoples Commissariat and the Central Committee next to mix bros lacan-zizek is... rough - in view of the plain fact that we know no other duty or pleasure than to love you and sweat for you and your moral upliftment, your dogmatic enlightment and general improvement in context with the cause of the people.
    But I'm not disappointed, Nike Mihailowna, these are mere teething problems we will overcome and I trust in part timing citizen gobblez and his cultural revulsions - it will all work out fine in the end, trust me, I'm a doctor...
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  13. drush

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    hi, i'm new here.
    i really wanted to emphasize a few things, though.
    for one, there is an incredible amount of experience of class struggle that was gained from the revolutionary movements that anarchism usually defines as 'authoritarian.'
    backing up from there, it's important to see that the paris, russian, and chinese revolutions were genuine seizures of power by the people, at first.
    real anarchism and real communism need way more exchange and principled struggle.
    questions of political line and how to arrive at a stateless society are the most important things.
    science, materialism, class-consciousness, feminism.. anarchism can learn a lot more still from the communist experience.
     
  14. punkmar77

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    I would argue the opposite drush, those things which you mention were not mutually exclusive to the communist experience and were in fact building stones of both original theories. What we have learned is not to completely trust Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, and Trotskyist follower's for fear of being stabbed in the back again and again.
     
  15. nike

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    simple and decent girl that i am, i don't want to have anything to do with the murderers of st. petersburg and kronstadt, the mass murderers of war economy and n.e.p, the manhunters of the ukraine or the infallible wisdom of father stalin sacrificing millions again to his incompetence during wwII - after slaughtering more anarchists in spain via s.i.m and international brigades than the fascists and requetes ever did. the soviet "brotherly help" for the republic is responsible for the outbreak of the great war too, after making the testing of the nazi-warmachine's so successful by helping them stalling the republic in Madrid.

    and the chinese? how many were sacrificed to the cause on mao's long march, how many died in the post-revolutionary "turmoils", the "great leap forward" and other pipedream-experiments up to the cultur revolution?
    and even nice uncle ho learned a lot from his chinese "friends" - "no matter if we have to sacrifice millions - we will win!"...
    north korea is a concentration camp still funded by the chinese, they funded pol pot to in kambodscha and support the genocidal regime in laos - lot's of genuine seizures of power of homocidal bureaucrats and functionaries...
    NO THANKS!
     
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    under the treat of getting no dessert at lunch the polit bureau made me post this:
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9mKZQ2-fQE&feature=related[/video]
     
  17. vAsSiLy77

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    The polit bureau feels the need to mention that it's one and only concern is the welfare and moral progress of each and every citizen within it's reach, especially those who excel themselves contributing to the socialist upbuilding and ect. ect.:
    So NO dessert for you, Nike Michailowna - and this hurts me far more than you, guess I will not find a second of sleep tonight because of the dire sacrifice your growing devotion to the cause of the people offered on the altar of the disowned and oppressed... (burping)... and now, stop that pogo and start making a guilt-laden face! :ecouteurs:
     
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    like these on the walls on this appealingly decorated prisoners room?
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    (made available with friendly permission of the central siberian tourist committee)
     
  19. drush

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    for sure, i totally hear you guys.
    i really think it should be studied more, though.
    i am really into reading commie classics, like marx, lenin, mao.
    but, what is 'red anarchist action network'?? i am really interested
     
  20. vAsSiLy77

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    http://www.redanarchist.org/definition/index.html - we hadn't much contacts with the comrades overseas, but several east-european groups we are in touch with are quite encouraging opposing the old and new authoritarian communist claims of leadership in the class struggle.
    (Nike should get an extra dessert for posting the vid!)
    reading marx brother karl may be helpful to get a clue about economical or even sociological aspects of the story, bit outdated today and in need of actualisation, but his theories about revolutionary struggle and more important the role of an avantgarde of the working class are failing badly - just research the history of communist-"led" revolutions via writers like Voline, Ida Mett, Peter A. Arschinoff, Victor Serge, Rudolf Rocker, Alexander Bergman, Emma Goldman, Isaak Steinberg - who critisized the way the revolution turned against the people after the bolshevists sneaked in and seized the power step by step from Kronstadt to the Ukraine... Bakunins critiques from the time of the first internationale are worth reading too, he almost predicted the turnskin character the "avantgarde" developed so easily and badly.
    the repression and termination of autonomy and criticism isn't the only crime of the authoritarian "liberators", they were always quick in sacrificing millions of "expendable" people to enforce projects like "war economy" and forced collectivisation without any regard to the circumstances (NEP and the chinese "Great Leap Forward", Collectivisation in Vietnam/Cuba ect.), planned and ordered by bureaucrats never loosing a single drop of sweat in the factories or on the fields, evolving as a new regime of desk murderers passionately preaching a paradise that never came true.
    stalins "socialism in one land" - kind of a truce towards capitalism and the betrayal of everyone still waiting for the world revolution - was the final nail in the coffin of the european revolution and kept the moscow-adviced german, polish and french communists busily fighting the social-revolutionaries and anarchists, dubbing them "leftwing-deviants" - while the fascists already were on the rise and even the social democrats and liberals started asking for a "peoples front" of all anti-fascists...
    the civil war turning into a revolution in spain 1936 was the worst part of the drama, Nkwd, S.I.M and the "international brigades" ran amok against the flower of militant european antifascists, CNT-collectives, FAI-militia columns and "trotzkist" counterrevolutionaries, while moscow made a deal out of supporting the republic with arms and military advice, not only robbing the spanish gold reserves but finally selling the spanish people for the price of preventing the example of "a better revolution" giving voice to the leftwing critics and the vain try to keep the fascist regimes turning against the "motherland of all workers"...

    and because i haven't got a clue about cyrillix - could one of the russian comrades do me a favor and tell me the name of the band and the song of the vid! thanx!
     
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