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Anarcho Punk Dead?

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by deadrock98, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. deadrock98

    deadrock98Experienced Member Experienced member


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    I was having a discussion with my friends about wanting to start a anarcho punk band like have it sound like all the really good bands from back in the early 80's like Crass, Flux, Poison Girls and stuff like that. And they are telling me that wanting to do a band like that is stupid because there are not a lot of people out there that want to hear a anarcho punk band in 2010 soon to be 2011. And if it is going to be a political band it has to be something like crust punk like Oiltanker or one of the many Disrupt sounding bands or do something like Dead Kennedys hardcore. So I want to ask for your opinion do you think that Anarcho Punk is Dead? like if a band like Crass same sound, same ethos same everything came out today would you be like "this is great" or be like "wow this is boring sounding"?
     

  2. dwtcos

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    make something new.
    personally i'm experimenting with shoegaze-jazzgrind.
     
  3. ungovernable

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    Anarcho punk isn't a genre of music with a specific sound like the anarcho-punk bands from 1980, anarcho-punk is just punks politically involved in anarchism. Anarchist punks. Anarcho-punk can't die. As long as there will be anarchist punks who stay true to their ideas. Punk is dead, anarcho-punk is more alive than ever.
     
  4. punkmar77

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    preposterous.... :ecouteurs:
     
  5. KAAOS-82

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    nah I disagree, most of the bands trying to imitate anarcho punk end up sounding over produced and generally shit. Anarcho punk practically died with Aus-Rotten.

    These days if its not crust, grind or some casualties wannabe band its all about RAW PUNK!
     
  6. dwtcos

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    being in a self described "uk82" band is 10% more dignified then being in a jimmy buffett tribute band.
    <3
     
  7. KAAOS-82

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    :lmao: hahahaha
     
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  9. ungovernable

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    Hey, you edited that lol

    Punk died after the crisis ended in the UK, the same crisis that led to the explosion of the punk movement. The majority of the kids lost their reason to rebel themselves against the system, and punk ended up to be just another mainstream music product.

    Punks appeared because they were sick of some specific social conditions, they were just sick of unemployment and "no future".
    Anarcho-punks appeared because they wanted to destroy the system and build a better society.
    Punks lost their reason to rebel when the crisis in the UK ended, so it died. Anarcho-punks still have their reason to exist.

    Pretending that anarcho-punk is limited to the sound of a restrained list of bands is like pretending that anarchism is limited to the thoughts of the thinkers of the last century : proudhon, kropotkin, etc.... Anarchism, just like anarcho-punk, evolved and changed to better adapt to today's scene.

    I don't understand how you can pretend that a band isn't real anarcho-punk just because their sound is different than the bands from the 80'
    As long as their ideas and concept are the same, to me it's anarcho-punk (except if the music genre is definatly not fitting under punk category).

    If what you said is true, then anarcho-punk is limited to UK and US based bands because in the french scene no bands sound like the anarcho-punk bands from years 80'
    in fact, the majority of the greatest bands of the anarcho-punk french punk scene doesn't sound like crass or aus-rotten, most of them doesn't even have drums, they use a beatbox. But they are as much involved as crass was, they give all their songs for free, they are activists, make benefit shows, etc... To me it's definatly fitting under anarcho-punk category.

    Saying that anarcho-punk is a specific sound immitating a few notorious bands is very sectarian.
     
  10. Derek Danger

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    If you wanna form a band that plays music like Crass, then fuck anyone who tells you not to do it, just because people won't be interested. That's how a lot of bands become lame; doing something that wouldn't be your first choice just because it's gonna get a better response. Who cares what we think all the time? What matters in an issue of art and music is what you feel like creating. By all means, you don't have to be intentionally obtuse and grating just to alienate people (in case it sounds like I'm saying that), and it's best to understand how to gain the trust and interest of an audience, as it seems that you want to make people interested, and that's certainly worthwhile.

    But what I'm also saying is that if you're creating music that is true to the vision that inspired it and the ideals it espouses, then it doesn't matter how many people are interested, or if it's a spectacular failure, or even if it sounds shit. People will see that you're doing what you want for good reasons, and the ones that know how important that is will respect you, even if the music's not that good. So write and perform the music you want to. Only think about changing direction if the one you're going in doesn't work for you. If your friends want to be in a DKs style band or a Disrupt style band but you wanna play Crass-style stuff, then maybe look for some like minded individuals to form a band like that with and the both of your bands can do some gigs! Trust me, there are plenty of us out there just waiting for someone to call and say "y'know how we both like Flux and Crass? wanna play in my new band?"
     
  11. JackNegativity

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    Some people will ALWAYS want to hear that early 80's sounding stuff. Play a few shows, even more people will come around. Shit happens in cycles.
     
  12. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Just because people don't play that music in your area doesn't mean that its dead. There might only be 5 people in your town that like a genre of music, and then 5,555 in another.

    Disrupt played grind/crust, so do about 5000 other bands. Many of the songs disrupt sang about are political ideas that are still talked about today in many other bands songs. So how is being a Disrupt sounding band (like Man The Conveyors) bad? Its not like they are trying to be Rancid or Anti-Flag first of all. Just because a songs rifts sound like a Disrupt song, doesn't make them a disrupt "sounding" band, hell you can say that PV bands all sound like Crossed Out or Charles Bronson, but you don't.

    Yea, and UK82 died when the year became 1983. Im sure Behind Enemy Lines would disagree with you here, consider that band is almost every member of aus rotten minus 1 person

    RAW PUNK = Casualties wanna-be band.
     
  13. Caps

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    Anarcho-punk as a culture and as ideologically-driven music is still obviously very much alive and well. As long as there's a system, there will be bands with the good sense to say the system's shit.

    As a style of music though, in relation to the bands you referred to, it's a bit more difficult to say. I haven't heard any recent bands that have that sparse (the best word I can think of to cover it) sound of those you mentioned. However, if you'd increased your field to include Rudimentary Peni, Subhumans, Conflict and Icons of Filth these bands were a lot more 'punky' in sound than merely anarcho-punk. There's still bands playing that sort of music. Shit, Subhumans are still playing that sort of music.

    I'm still trying to get to know the newer anarcho-punk sounds. However, from what I have heard, I think Contravene do a really good job of capturing an classic anarcho-punk feel without sounding nostalgic.

    In conclusion, in answer to your question: No.
     
  14. robmarriott72

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    Really just do the band for yourselves, that way the passion will come across as much more honest, who cares if you dont become well known, the most important part is the creativity that you put in yourself. I started Burnt Cross 3 years ago and the only punk i really listened to was early anarcho stuff, i also love early metal but used to play in anarcho bands 20 odd years ago so really wanted to do that style of music cos it really "spoke" to me. We did not expect to be heard at all as we didnt even plan to do gigs, just record in my bedroom on an 8trk with drum machine. We gave out 150 free demo cds and that got us interest and we have now shifted over 10,000 units of our music through cds/vinyl/tapes and downloads and have around 10 labels putting our stuff out. We havent made any money from this as we have always been happy to give our music away or charge pretty much cost.
    So go for it, whats the point doing a band for something other than the love of doing music that inspires you, we even had a record label who wanted us to be more R&B orientated so that they coud sign us and try to make some money, we told them to fuck off!!
    Check out what we are doing mate and pm me if i can offer anymore advice

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMsYrIqvcuM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_esP-l1RPU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxjY8fze ... re=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6kSlq7 ... re=related
     
  15. trevor9849

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    if I heard a newer band that sounded like Crass, Conflict, Subhumans, Flux, etc... I would be like "Fuck yeah, we need more bands like this!" Screw everyone who disagrees, I'd listen to you. I also agree that Anarcho Punk isn't a sound that bands have to follow, you pretty much just need Anarchist lyrics, but if there were more bands who had that Crass kind of sound that would be awesome. :thumbsup:
     
  16. DirtyRottenThrashPunk

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    Regardless of whether the original style of Anarcho-Punk is being played anymore, there are still a shit ton of anarchist Crust, Grind, D-Beat bands, plus a fair amount of anarchist punks in other subgenres (Powerviolence, Thrashcore, Skacore, blablablablabla)
     
  17. SurgeryXdisaster

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    That is a huge misconception that punk was exclusive to or even started in the UK
    Punks in America didn't give a fuck about unemployment in the Uk
    The new york punk scene was rebelling against the typical Art crowd
    while punk in California was more about frustrations of suburban living

    As long as people get angry and play in punk bands and put on DIY shows
    and release their own music and don't let people tell them what to do or how to sound or how they should act...
    then punk will never die. It's a tad arrogant to say that only anarcho-punk still has a reason to exist

    "Punks appeared because they were sick of some specific social conditions"
    just as they still do today
     
  18. KAAOS-82

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    that is the wankiest thing I've ever read on this forum, hat tip for you. I'm not referring to imitation, I'm referring to sound quality. Punk is supposed to be rough and dirty, not pristine and digital.

    I love how you feel that punk needs to be pigeonholed politically, that if its not extremist anarchism then its not worth listening to.
    You know Rudimentary Peni, The Apostles and numerous other "Anarcho" Punk bands aren't even anarchists?

    HAHAHA YOUR SO FUCKING FUNNY! Behind enemy lines are shit over produced profane existence jerkoffs, Aus-Rotten at least had the decency to record analogue and not cave into the CD culture thats practically ruined any punk band from 90's onwards true potential.

    Fuck off hippie
     
  19. ungovernable

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    And thats why most of punk bands and punkrockers sellout and betray their ideas once they get money and start having better condition.

    You're being stupid again. How surprising.

    Yes you are referring to imitation. Why do you think that anarcho-punk has to follow a guideline of specific sound quality ? Because thats how the bands in 1980' did it. Stop living in the past and worshipping your heroes, things changed, technology is better, so why not use it if it can help to spread a message ?

    "Punk is supposed to be rough and dirty, if you don't have a bad sound you're not punk". Now that's one of the most ridiculous things i heard on this forum.

    That's like saying that you have to smell bad and have dirty clothes to be a real punk


    Shut up and don't start deforming what i say once again. I said that anarcho-punk MUST be anarchist punk and the band must work in the concept of anarcho-punk bands (non profit, underground, etc). Or else what the fuck is anarcho-punk ? The name says it all : ANARCHO.

    So fucking what ? They are still doing anarchist punk music. But oh well since you know everyone personnally (you know collin jerwood and you know he's a fake anarchist because brad pitt is his best friend and you know everything on everyone) then you probably know Rudimentary Peni and Apostles members personnally.... So you can tell they're not anarchist, probably because of a picture you found on the internet, like with Collin Jerwood.

    You're ridiculous. That's really hilarious..

    So on the other side, we could say that rock is dead because today no rock band release only cassettes ???

    Seriously the more i read from you the more i laught my ass off.

    Anarcho-punk is not about being anarchist, being underground or fighting for a cause.... It's just about having a bad sound ! After all, anarcho-punk is just a music sound !!! Thanks Mr. KAAOS-82.
     
  20. SurgeryXdisaster

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    I stopped liking this thread as soon as there became a split between punk and anarcho-punk
    But this quote of yours could be said about both, if you wish them to remain separate. Look at Steve Ignorant
     
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