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anarchist views on paedophillia

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by larryliberty, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. dwtcos

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    Acceptable. The tree was just asking for it.
     
  2. Anxiety69

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    Ok, since i know you are a parent, how about if your children at age 14 or 15 want to have a relationship with someone in their 30's, 40's, older?
     
  3. Ring Of Truth

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    That's an excellent question. I think if I got to know the girl (or guy), and found that her intentions were pure, and that the relationship is based on honest love, I think that I would be okay with that... I would think that it's weird that the older person couldn't find someone closer to their own age, but if the relationship is based on true love then I would be okay. Again, that is also if I feel that my son is mature enough at that age to understand what is going on and responsible enough to understand the consequences for his actions. There are a lot of IFs in that answer I know, but ever situation is different, and every situation is unique, and it is easy to say that I would do this or that, until the actual situation arises.

    My sister who was sixteen at the time was dating some one 21, my girlfriend is six years younger than me, my ex-boyfriend was only 19 when I was 27..... so I don't think that age is a big deal.... I also have friends who are 13 and I have friends who are in their 80s... so I try not to judge by age but more so by the persons individual characteristics. Myself I have set a rule for myself that I will never have sex with anyone under the age of 17.
     
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  5. Anxiety69

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    so in an anarcho society, would kiddie porn be legal?
     
  6. miserablist

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    No
     
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    Just a few days ago on the BBC website was a story of some 13 year old girl in Sudan or Somalia or some where who bled to death because her husband had sex with her. children are not physically or mentally prepared for sex untill the later teens and thats decreed by natures own way of growth and development.

    For my part adults who want sex with children should be nailed to the back of a bus and dragged around their home towns streets until all thats left is bloody stumps.

    Teens experimenting with teens is a different thing again if were talking teen boyfriend and teen girlfriend then that again is natures own way for us to learn about that side of living lets hope they would be resonsible about the whole thing, but if that teen lets say is the same age as the OP 16 and is getting excited about 8 year olds then im afraid there is something sadly wrong there.

    Some guy in the states recently was in the news for taking his own son into his garden and shooting him in the head because the lad admitted to him he had had sex with a 2 year old. I can only sympathise with that parent on two levels, of knowing you had brought that monster into the world in the first place and in having to kill something you cherished. You can only hope that baby will not suffer too much mentally later in life because of what she was put through.
     
  8. Anxiety69

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    i love how this topic was started by someone's only post here...
     
  9. New Face In Hell

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    Haha, I was just about to comment about that.
     
  10. danzigmcfly

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    in my state the laws on pederastry are quite loose but in my experience the older partner isnt usually at the same mental level as the younger and tends to manipulate him/her in very unhealthy ways the worst i have witnessed involved a guy in his mid twenty's coercing a fourteen year old girl into a dependent housewife like drone making her preform sexual acts that made her feel both ashamed and degraded i can still remember that year and the dead expression on her face that had not been their the year prior
     
  11. JackNegativity

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    Kind of an old post, but whatevs.

    It's pretty fucked up to see someone on here equating pedophilia to the likes of homosexuality. The LGBT community, gay males especially, have fought long and hard against the false stereotype that gays are child molesters. Homosexuality is a product of nature, pedophilia is a product of past trauma/social insecurity/mental illness. Homosexuality is nature's attempt at stunting overpopulation. Pedophilia is sexual deviance that usually leads to sexual assault. Therefore, pedophiles are not due the rights that homosexuals are. If you want to argue against that, fine, but you're wrong and can go fuck yourself. The people arguing in favor of the rights of pedophiles seem to be more focused on the pedos and less on the children affected by them. It's like saying fuck the rights of any other rape victim because the rapist has rights too.

    Pedophiles are no different than other rape fetishists. Eventually fantasizing about it won't be enough, and they'll act on it. Little by little, they'll become emboldened and have to commit more extreme sexual acts to get off. A rapist/pedophile is also more likely to murder their victim to avoid detection. I wouldn't want to live (or raise my kid, for that matter) in an anarchist society that accepts pedophilia as a natural sexuality. I'm not saying execute them for, but they can go have their own settlement far away from kids.

    As a parent, I wouldn't stand for this shit and I don't how anyone can defend this behavior in any way. I'm all for free love and open sexuality, but if anybody even looked at my kid in a sexual manner their right to live has been revoked. If my kid grew up to be a pedo, I probably wouldn't kill him but I'd definitely beat the living shit out of him and send him somewhere he couldn't victimise anyone.

    I'd invite anybody arguing for pedophiles, and who have kids, to go live with them...but why punish a kid for their stupid fucking parents. So I'll say this: Anybody with kids who supports pedophilia shouldn't be allowed to have kids in the first place.
     
  12. Ammon

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    In an anarchist world, whow would you deal with a child molester

    how would an anarchist deal with a predictor, who most likely is mentily disabled
     
  13. slother

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    Re: In an anarchist world, whow would you deal with a child molester

    If their mentally disabled, then their predictions wouldn't be very accurate
     
  14. Derek Danger

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    Re: In an anarchist world, whow would you deal with a child molester

    Do you mean predator? And why "mentally disabled"? Sure, many people suffer oppressively under the weight of paedophilic attractions that they can't manage, but I wouldn't say the people who molest children are "disabled". At best they're mentally ill and at worst (ie the people who do it for reasons other than actual uncontrollable psychological problems) just really bad people.

    I'd like to know the facts of the case, but I'd certainly want the person isolated from the child, and in a severe case perhaps to leave the community.
     
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    Re: In an anarchist world, whow would you deal with a child molester

    Ableist fucking asshole. I have aspergers fuck you!
     
  16. fubarista

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    That sounds like the correct and proper action to me. But I would extend it to people so ignorant of anarchism that they think it means allowing people who are older, bigger, and stronger, to exercise power over those who are younger, smaller, and weaker. Perhaps the quoted remedy could be modified so as to be even more painful for anyone ignorant enough to troll an anarchist forum by asking if anarchists condone interactions based on power trips.

    Necrophilia is another story. If it was only acted out by first killing and then fucking politicians, it might be beneficial to society.

    As for Ben's last comment, it gets my hearty applause: :ecouteurs: Mental disabilities can be overcome, are often nothing more than negative labels that a state uses to stigmatize and penalize dissenters, and are sometimes a sign of genius. Predators aren't mentally disabled, they're just too stupid to understand that when they hurt another person, they hurt everyone by making the world a less pleasant place to be.

    Somewhat off-topic, but I just reposted a good article on my website about mental illness and it's "treatment." http://fubarandgrill.org/node/1378
     
  17. Derek Danger

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    Violence, after all, is the answer to all of society's problems. :ecouteurs:

    I'm glad you feel that such violence should also be used to solve your petty personal disputes. That's real fucking charming.
     
  18. fubarista

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    What "petty personal disputes" are you referring to, Derek?

    I believe that violence should and must be used when necessary to protect the exploited from the exploiter, the prey from the predator, and the abused from their abusers. I agree with Ward Churchill's thesis in Pacifism as Pathology that it is violence to see a child being harmed by an adult and not intervene to stop it by whatever means possible and necessary--it makes one an accessory to the crime.

    I much prefer nonviolence but nonviolence is most definitely not the answer to all of society's problems either.

    What's your answer to child molesters? Author/attorney Andrew Vacchs http://www.vachss.com/ was a public health worker who came across a six-month-old infant who had been sexually assaulted by someone with a venereal disease. He has devoted the rest of his life to defending children.

    The capitalist imperialist US government relies heavily on child molestation. Have you read John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-up? I worked for a very short while as a civilian at a Navy base and they used "the young meat" to entrap and control people. Their child molesting ring was uncovered in an interesting way. Most of the civilian workers there were married or related to each other and belonged to the same Christian fundamentalist church which believed that the male head of a household had the right to sexually abuse his wife and children. A known child molester ran their day care center. One of the people there had been sexually molesting his daughters all their lives but they had never complained because they believed it was his right. Then one day one of his daughters happened to walk in and find him sexually molesting her son, his six-month-old grandson. Had it been a granddaughter, she'd have apologized and backed out of the room. But in addition to having been taught to believe that the head of the household had the right to molest his chattels, she'd also been taught to believe that homosexuality was a sin and she was afraid that being raped by his grandfather might cause her son to grow up to be gay. So she called the cops. It made the papers. The guy got a short prison sentence, something like 18 months, I believe. But the entire community turned against the daughter for having called the cops and she had to move out of town. I was an outsider, accidentally hired when I was able to prove that they'd rigged the Civil Service test, and when they weren't able to tempt me into sampling the young meat so that they could control me, they devoted extraordinary efforts into firing me and eventually succeeded.

    The very first public internet forum was also owned by child molesters. I was one of their most popular writers until I got a personal message from a guy offering me a friendly, blond, blue-eyed ten-year-old for a two week visit. The guy didn't know me from Adam. I could have been Jack the Ripper. When I asked the admins how I could avoid getting such messages in the future, they accused me of trying to censor the child molester. They were free speech purists and totally against censorship of any kind, so they immediately deleted two years worth of my writing without warning and banned me from their site. Both the owners were millionaires and one of them now heads one of the world's biggest charitable organizations.

    It isn't just priests and boy scout leaders. That charming hippie children's camp may also be run by child molesters. In a hierarchical system, child molestation tends to be endemic because children are at the bottom of the pecking order.

    Are you a nonviolent pacifist, Derek? Do you believe that violence should never be used, not even to overthrow fascist regimes or in defense against genocide?
     
  19. Derek Danger

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    That sounds petty to me.
     
  20. Derek Danger

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    You are a fan of irrational arguments, aren't you? I don't know why you chose to bring up genocide at the end but, no I don't think that. What relevance your rant about institutionalised child molestation has to this discussion, I've no idea. Are you trying to suggest we should help the victim? I never disputed that, I think we should.

    In fact, most of what you said here was hugely irrelevant emotional point-scoring, so I'm just gonna respond to the first couple of things you mention. I agree that violence can (not must) be used to respond to the behaviour of predatory individuals. So beat the hell out of the dude, make sure the kid is safe and then decide what to do- perhaps you design a sanction, set up a psychological consult, exile the asshole or whatever, anything's better than what you guys have agreed on:

    That is (frankly improbable) torture (which betrays an inept understanding of how the human body works, but anyway, you've agreed on it so let's treat it as fact), any way you wanna justify it. How is that a rational violent response to what the person has done? It isn't, it's an entirely emotional, irrational response that doesn't help anybody. It doesn't teach the offender any lesson (and makes no provision for female offenders, who exist as well for fuck's sake), and it teaches the kid that, not only ought you respond to a physical threat with enough violence to protect yourself (which is a good lesson), but then you should torture the person who threatened your safety like an adolescent sadist afterwards. And so you help the kid, who is probably already emotionally scarred, grow up a sociopath. Nice work, genius.

    Addendum: The torture method you agreed on would kill the person. And you have just defended it. What fucking place does capital punishment have in an anarchist society? Or do you have a Sun reader's "hanging's too good for them, whoever they are!" attitude?

    Ummm, so?

    Does this have anything to do with what we were talking about? The US never came up, and your personal experiences here (thanks for sharing anyway) aren't helpful, because in the case they're not germane to the discussion.

    What did I say about free speech, the internet or censorship?
     
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