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anarchist views on paedophillia

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by larryliberty, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. larryliberty

    larrylibertyNew Member New Member


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    Hey I'm new to this forum, i consider myself an agorist-anarchist for the most part, in that i do support small business communities and that i do believe that a revolution can occur through calculated inaction (like not paying tax), but I'm not a hearty anarcho-capitalist who thinks that the market is the ONLY solution. I'm also heavily concerned with social issues and our subsequent liberty (or lack thereof) in their regard. One thing i campaign heavily about at my school (i'm 16, so you can imagine the giref i get for my ideas hahaha) is sexual freedom, and the two most contentious issues I come across are necrophillia and paedophillia. i shall save the former for another post, so let us look at paedophillia... what are other members opinions on the issue? for? against? some convoluted middle ground? my personal stance is perhaps the least popular (good thing i dont believe in the sick idolatry of forced democracy huh?), i am all for paedophillic relationships and would even be so bold as to liken paedophiles now to homosexuals in the early part of the 20th century in regards to oppression and social stigma. IMPORTANT NOTE: there is a HUGE difference between child rapists and paedophiles, just as there is a huge difference between a straight man and a date rapist, one is a sexual preference which is sought to be satisfied consensually, and the other is a grotesque imposition on the part of a predator seeking to arouse naught but their own swollen ego and sense of control.
     

  2. ungovernable

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    first make the difference between paedophiles and pederastry (not sure of the spelling)

    Even some famous anarchists like Hakim Bay are pederast but it's not the exact same thing as paedophiles

    For the rest, of course anarchists are against paedophiles just like they are against rapes...


    By the way, agorism sucks.
     
  3. ungovernable

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  4. Carcass

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    Wow, a pro-pedophile anarcho-capitalist. People are gonna love you 'round here. :ecouteurs:

    I get that people who are sexually attracted to children and adolescents aren't necessarily "bad" people who want to do harm, but there's no way a pedophillic relationship can be consentual. The power imbalance between someone who is sexually, emotionally and mentally mature and someone who is not is fucking vast. Certainly kids, but even adolescents are far too suceptible to manipulation and coercion for that kind of situation to ever be safe for them.

    Someone who has not yet developed or come to understand his or her sexual identity cannot consent to sex. An adult having sex with a child or adolescent is always rape.

    I have some amount of sympathy for pedophiles, many of whom were molested or raped as children themselves. I try to imagine having a sex drive that's centered around acts that can only traumatize others and it seems pretty scary. I'm all for the availability of drawn or digitally produced child pornography in order to create an outlet for people who are trying to deal with these dangerous urges without hurting anyone. That said, I wouldn't be the least bit forgiving toward anyone who actually took advantage of a young person.
     
  5. FetusGrinder

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    You both have awesome signatures. BTW.

    I'm tempted to say that everyone matures at a different age and all that, but I suppose also that the terms "child" and "adolescent" are largely based on a persyn not being fully developed and mature, which leads Me to agree with Carcass. Perhaps a better definition of terms would be helpful.
     
  6. Anxiety69

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    pedophillia is disgusting, and nambla members should be shot.
     
  7. Rhube

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    I don't think there's anything worng with pedophilia. People automatically link pedophilia with child abuse.
    Paraphilias aren't things we can choose. That's it.
    However, when somebody ACTS on their pedophilia, that's another basket of muffins.
    I recognize that the child in such a situation may be consenting, but as a sexual abuse victim, I can honestly say that at that age, there's no such thing as consenting.
    Children can know as much as you can cram in to their heads about sex, but they'll never fully understand it until they're physcially developed enough to make a baby. The only way they can really know enough to properly consent is when they have felt the effects or sex hormones on themselves.
    And so they can't truely consent at all.
    I mean, they may end up thinking sex is not such a big deal when they're older, but nonetheless, as a child, they can't truely know what they're talking about.

    So anyway, having sex with somebody non-consenting, or unable to consent is always wrong, in my opinion.
    Pedophilia itself, as with any paraphilia, is not.
     
  8. Kobac

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    cut their fucking cocks and kill em all.that s not normal.go fuck something that can defend himself
     
  9. Shuei

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    Pedophilia is not like homosexuality, it's not a choice for both parts, at least not with the child being not able to understand the consequences always.

    And, it's a slippery slope against children being futher used as sex objects.
     
  10. miserablist

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    Paedophilia is rape. Raping children is bad. SImples.
     
  11. Rhube

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    Pedophilia isn't rape.
    Pedophilia is a particular sexual appetite for people under the age of 13, when the "pedophile" is over the age of 18.

    Acting on pedophila is rape.

    It's important to understand the difference between a having a fetish, and acting on a fetish.
    Pedophile's can't help that they're pedophiles, they can only help their own actions.

    Therefore, commiting pedophilia is rape.
    Not pedophilia as a general.

    Just saying.
     
  12. miserablist

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    Tomatoes tomatoes.
     
  13. Rhube

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    Potatoes potatoes.
     
  14. Anxiety69

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    i can't believe anyone can justify pedophilia in any way. If you tell a kid you'll buy him gifts if he lets you fuck him, he doesn't know what possible psychological damage to expect, not to mention that it would be prostitution also. Also how come were not talking about little girls? Honestly i'd love to hear a parent's view on this, I can't imagine any parent saying it's ok for THEIR child to act in such a way. Seriously, pedophillia isn't anarchism, it's disgusting illness, and i would never be part of an anarcho society that condoned this.
     
  15. Rhube

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    Not an illness. Paraphilia.
    It's the same as any other -philia, only less socailly acceptable, and understandably so.
    The fetish itself isn't bad though.
    The action is.



    Education!
     
  16. Ivanovich

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    it rape, kill them
     
  17. dwtcos

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    You people who are calling pedophillia rape need to re examine the definitions of both those words. And an illness? Give me a break. Do you think that pedophiles choose to be pedophiles? There are multitudes of theories on where sexual fetishes originate from but not a single one claims that the fetishist has any say in their fetish. Any fetish has the potential to be turned into an act of violence but it's usually only pedophiles that are so heavily critisized for it when it happens (with good reason).
     
  18. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    YEA COME ON ITS PERFECTLY NORMAL FOR PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 18 TO BE ATTRACTED TO PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 13 FUCK!!!
     
  19. Rhube

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    Are you suggesting that because it's not normal, that it's wrong? :lmao:
     
  20. PsychoHyena

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    Do Schizophrenics choose to be Schizophrenic? Not that i'm really defending some moral standing on the point (as i generally lack morals on the whole), but there is evidence that it is a mental illness of sorts. Perhaps more a personality disorder then the full blow Mental illness as catagorized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; but still. Even certain Fetishes are classified as disorders alongside paedophilia as paraphilia (Sexual arrousel directed toward objects, situations, or individuals that are not part of normative stimulation and that may cause distress or serious problems for the paraphiliac or persons associated with him or her)
    I have a leaning toward looking at it all through shit stained glasses. As i have a good friend who was molested in his youth, leaving him rather much the nervous wreck. There generally is'nt such a thing as concensual sex between someone matured and those before puberty. Pedophiles whom act upon their impulses generally do so with little in the way of what anyone could call 'love'. Its domination, Power over something innocent that has little in the way of fighting back and is often too afraid to speak out. Often leaving the victem scarred for life.
     
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