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Abolish Religion

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Anarcho-Communist, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. fluorospace

    fluorospaceNew Member New Member


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    Anybody that tells you they believe in god is a liar.
    You cannot believe in something that does not exist.
    Why do we hate society ?
    Because it is an evil thing , created by evil people for evil purposes, because it is all lies.
    And those lies cannot be dissociated with the primeval lie : the belief in god.
    Anybody who says they believe in god is a reactionary and a traitor to the people, to Anarchy and to Punk.
    Anarchy will continue to be an Utopia while people keep propagating the lies of religion.
    Let us not forget that god was invented as a means of oppression, so that people would think there is an authority, a power greater than theirs.
    religion is the source of all evil, and there is no more important debate than its complete eradication from the collective memory of the human race.
     
  2. makhno

    makhnoActive Member Forum Member


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    I think we should try and separate any anti-religious tendencies we have from anarchism and anarchist activism.

    Trying to build a mass working class movement at the same time as railing against religion is incredibly alienating. Trying to bring anarchism into the mainstream as an atheist philosophy would be a HUGE tactic error. (At least at this time. Atheism is on the rise of course) Not to mention wrong, as anarchism is not fundamentally atheist.

    We just have to be clear about sticking to anarchist principles, and rejecting authoritarian tendencies as they emerge from the state, capitalism, or religion.

    That being said, I don't see anything wrong with joining separate atheist organizations to engage in atheist activism. But I feel our time is better spent on anarchist activism. Atheism is on the rise, I feel like religion is dying out as information becomes more available.
     
  3. j4v13r4o1

    j4v13r4o1Member New Member


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    There would still be political violence. Religion is stupid and makes no sense. The whole idea of a god is stupi and makes no sense. But it's still up to the people to decide for themselves. If we "abolish" religion we're no better than the religious people who have forced their views on other people.
     
  4. ASA

    ASAExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    but u can try as what do u do when a monkeys bashing ya brains out, say peace and serenity.
     
  5. Rhube

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    The basic goal of most religions is to make people, despite human nature, in to decent, and productive people.
    To eliminate negativity.
    To make people more compatible with other people.

    The fact that some people take it differently than other cannot be controlled. Nor can it be helped by "abolishment".

    If you actually read The Bible, or many other religious texts, the basic message is "Don't be a dickhead."
    It's not meant to be taken so literally, it's just meant to tell people not to take the lives of others, to treat people well, and to be universally loving and kind.

    I hardly think that the idea of abolishing something is very anarchist.
    Nobody has any right to tell anybody what to do. Saying somebody can't believe in something, or can't participate in organized religion is oppressive.

    Religion can be very rewarding, and productive,
    or can give hope to the weak-minded.
    And if anyone read really well in to their religion, they'd notice that the basic principle is to self-govern in order to make a better world.

    I think it's immature to be so anti-religion.
    Atheist-supremacy is just as bad as any other kind of supremacy.
    Extremism in any context can not be productive.
     
  6. Rathryn

    RathrynExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Agreed, except it seems to me like you're talking more about beliefs than religion.
     
  7. Rhube

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    Well, religion basically is beliefs.

    One of my biggest pet peeves is when people think that religion is somehow more valuable, or different than personal or political beliefs.
    When I was getting in trouble at school for not standing for the national anthem, had to play the religion card, because in their minds, beliefs can be changed, but religious beliefs are taboo, and should not be remarked on.
    (Sadly, that still ended with the vice principal trying to change my mind for the next half hour. "Having pride in your country is so wrong?" Good times in high school...)

    Anyway, viewing religion in this way leads to extremism in both directions.
    I'm not about to apologize to some uber-atheist higher-than-everyone douche just because I'm a Buddhist, nor would I associate with somebody who's strayed so far the other way, that they're trying to convert people.
    If you get what I'm saying.

    Evidently I don't need to say this to you though, as you do agree.
     
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