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3 important questions before the revolutions

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Phuxpin, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. Phuxpin

    PhuxpinMember New Member


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    I think a a lot about revolution. Now I know there are different theories about how Anarchy will be achieved, collapse of current society, natural disaster, personally I believe someone in power will cross a line and well just collectively go "THAT'S IT! FUCK THESE GUYS" and burn the whole mother fucker down. Ultimately we are on the same teams and if it comes to violence I believe we will all be fighting together. (Team Double Oy?)
    I have a couple questions that I thought would be interesting to hear the points of view from the various Anarchy off-shoots. I will answer as well. Maybe we''l get some good conversations out of it.

    1) There are so many different sects of Anarchists and Punks out there, some that seem to have contradictory ideologies. (Anarcho-socialist vs Anarcho-capitalist for example) If we end up in a state of war with the government overlords, what will maintain our Unity during battle when we know in the end that this dude is fighting to do exactly what I'm fighting to stop doing?

    2) The true anarchist has no leader and is no leader. If revolution comes, however the government has strategies for urban uprising. Who will determine our strategy in response? Does that violate our fundamental ideas.

    3) Can the brainwashed millions of conformists who fight for the government because they are no longer capable of independent thought or action be saved? Or will they have to be put down once the war is over.


    That's all for now. Ill post my answers a bit later gotta go


    *OY! NAZI PUNKS...FUCK OFF!!
     

  2. punkmar77

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    1. "Anarcho" Capitalists aren't anarchist in any sense of the word.
    2. A true anarchist leads by example, shunning any power or privilege bestowed by others.
    3. Putting people down is a fascist tactic, not an anarchist one. Of course if attacked, we are going to defend by any means necessary.
     
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  3. Phuxpin

    PhuxpinMember New Member


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    I agree, however regarding three I may have mis-worded... I believe that at least my government is using propaganda tactics. These often have subliminal aspects to them. If this is true than logically a conformist (I have always called the people who go with the flow conformists, the average Folgers drinking, trend following, person) who is exposed to enough influence would be brainwashed and possibly be fighting on the side of the Machine. Willingly but not OF their free will. Obviously as we stand against them in combat, they will be dealt with according to their allegiances. Once the fighting is nearing its end, and we are basically mopping up, Little pockets of conformists may have survived. Can they be saved? Can a lifetime of brainwashing be erased? If not the options are a) release, in which case they may live a little longer until they pose a threat again. b) Imprisonment: Not unless are 100% sure we can save them later, its a fate worse than death. Or c) execution. I understand that it seems fascist and extreme, but again Ive thought a lot about this. I would rather die a horribly painful death than to spend a single day not in control of my thoughts or behaviors. I disagree with you on the execution part being fascist. I would call it a mercy kill,
     
  4. [Bry]son

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    There is no need to do anything to ""conformists"" because they aren't a threat. We shouldn't seek out conflict with fence sitters or those that are undecided. All we can do is educate and cooperate. Fascists take fence sitters and those that are undecided and force them into a belief system, whether through force or through brainwashing. Obviously apologists or people who aren't comfortable with resistance to fascism are most likely going to side with fascists when it comes down to things, but those who aren't willing to side with anarchists or fascists don't need to be removed. In the Spanish Revolution (CNT and the such), there were those who weren't part of the whole thing but were peacefully coexisting. They caused no hindrance or posed a threat to anyone. I would hope they would see the way and eventually side with us, but we shouldn't force them to. We are not here to force anything on anyone, other than forcing a boot onto the fascists throats.

    I hope that all made sense, got kind of long winded there.
     
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  5. Phuxpin

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    So, I guess maybe I should wait until I am ALL the way awake in the morning before posting as it would appear I was misunderstood in that last one. And since I am unable to edit, I will try again:
    We find ourselves at war in the future. Whether revolt or response to atrocity, we now stand against the worlds governments, military, and hordes of our family members and neighbors who fight because they have no choice, having spent their lives being brainwashed by the Machine.
    Q1) We are diverse group with many differing beliefs. When the revolution comes we will need to somewhat organized and unified to have a chance, our foes will most certainly be, and they will have been practicing. What will keep the subsets unified over the days months and years the revolution may require when
     
  6. Phuxpin

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    Yes that did make total sense, and thank you for your candor. I know that it is unpopular in the Anarchist population (unpopular with the non conformists... oh, the irony) to think violent revolt, but I just don't see any other theory that has any realistic chance of occurring without violence, It doesn't matter if it's famine, economic collapse, disease or nuclear fallout, the machine will send every agent out to maintain and regain control of whatever possible. In the US, just in my city we have 2 national guard BASES,1 Air Force Base and 1 Marine Base, Army not far either. No the Machine and its minions will fight regards of whether or not the Anarchists rise up or not. Some of these questions of logistics and morals should at least be discussed or at least floated, That way some of our brethren if faced with something will have something to make a decision on. Not everyone has been in combat. The line between enemy combatant and civilian is not always as clear as you think. Sometimes the guy shooting at you is just pissed that you are on his yard, and sometimes the goddamn interpreter whose wife just had a baby decides to suicide bomb the fucking base!

    Sorry...

    My point is that the time to discuss and debate these things is during the time before the shit hits the fan, not after we have corn dripping from our hair.
     
  7. Red/Black Flag

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    I don't think that anarchists have contradictory ideologies, they just slightly differ on how to achieve anarchism and how to «maintain» it. Anarcho capitalism shouldn't even be considered a kind of anarchism since it has completely different ideologies than the "real" anarchism.
    I believe that the solution for the lack of unity between anarchists is organising meetings and spreading our ideas in our local areas and than go into larger scales
     
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