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26 years in jail for Josue (nazi who murdered antifa in spain)

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by ungovernable, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    26 years for man found guilty of Madrid metro murder
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    October 19, 2009

    The court considered ideological hate motivated the killing of a young anti-fascist protestor

    The soldier on trial for the murder of a young anti-fascist demonstrator at a Madrid metro station two years ago will spend the next 26 years in prison: 19 years for the fatal stabbing of 16 year old Carlos Palomino and another 7 years for the attempted murder of the teenager’s friend who came to his aid.

    While the accused, Josué Estébanez, denied that he was a neo-Nazi during his trial, the provincial court in Madrid considered, as the prosecutor had argued in the case, that ideological hate was behind his motives for the stabbing, giving him a lengthier sentence for the murder.

    Carlos Palomino died on 11th November 2007 when the train was stationed at Madrid’s Legazpi station. He was travelling with others to protest at a far right demonstration in Usera when he was stabbed, and there were reports that his killer gave a Nazi salute when he inflicted the fatal wound. The accused claimed when he was questioned in court that he was acting out of instinct and fear for his life when he saw himself surrounded, describing himself as just a patriot who likes to see the Spanish team win at football.

    However, witnesses to what happened gave evidence in court that they saw him with his knife already prepared for use when they entered the stationary train at Legazpi. In addition to the lengthy prison term, he must now pay the victim’s family 100,000 € compensation.
     

  2. Anxiety69

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    26 years for murder... i'd say he got off way to easy.

    -the anxietist
     
  3. disfuck

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    IM AGAINST AUTHORITARIANISM AND JAIL AND PRISONS AND SUCH BUT I DO BELEIVE HE SHOULD HAVE GOT A LONGER SENTANCE OR WORSE PUNISHMENT , HES OBVIOUSLY A NAZI AND KILLED A MAN WITH A DIFFERENT VEIW FROM HIS OWN . WHOS THE FUCK THAT DETERMINES THE FUCK PUNISHMENT OF A CRIME , I FUCKIN HATE THIS SHIT
     
  4. Anxiety69

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    if u are against prisons and jails, how would u deal with rapists, murders, child molesters, etc?


    -the anxietist
     
  5. Rathryn

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    I don't know much about Spanish jurisdiction, but I simply can't fathom why anyone would want to take someone else's life over a different opinion anyway.
    Saying he got off easy with 26 years is all nice and good, but if I consider the statement that he was a soldier, he'll probably be faced with a dishonourable discharge and very limited skills in future jobs. If he would ever apply for another job in say, security, and they check his criminal record, I think he'll have a hard time actually getting a job like that.
    So it might be just 26 years, but he'll be stuck with it for the rest of his life, as the social repercussions seem to be greater than his actual physical incarceration.
    Then again, I have very limited knowledge of Spanish jurisdiction, as stated before and I have no further information about the incident or its context than given here.
     
  6. Bananaman

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    From a standpoint of somebody living in the US 26 years seems like a relatively small sentence, as he would get life in prison or even death sentence in most states. In Europe 26 years in prison is considered a very harsh sentence as a lot of career criminals spend much less for murder and other big crimes.
     
  7. disfuck

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    I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SICK FUCKS WHO NEED BETTER PUNISHMENT , BUT JAILS ALSO ENSLAVE THE INNOCENT ,AND ALL FREEDOMS ARE TAKEN , BUT EVEN SUPPORTING SUCH A SYSTEM LIKE THIS IS EVERYTHING WE GO AGAINST ,PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE LESSER CRIMES ARE ALSO IN WITH THE RAPISTS AND CHILD MOLESTERS , AND DO YOU THINK THAT IS FAIR ? OF COARSE NOT , BUT IN OUR SOCIETY THIS IS HOW PROBLEMS ARE DEALT WITH . PERSONALLY I DONT AGREE WITH THESE PRISONS AND JAILS , IVE BEEN TO JAIL FOR 8 MONTHS AND IVE SEEN MANY INJUSTICES !!! THIS IS WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST !!
     
  8. punkmar77

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    Taking someones life over a difference of opinion is what the Nazi's, The Spanish, French, and Italian Fascists, Pinochet and Peron, Islamo-Fascists, Apartheid, etc.etc., its what they're all about. When they reach power they don't just wipe out racial enemies they murder Anarchists and Socialists, Communists, Freethinkers, Homosexuals, and anyone who dares even look at them funny. So we must always be vigilant and prepared to confront their violent behaviour with even harsher reprisals. If you think that these things are only relevant to the past, look at Serbian and Bosnian atrocities, or even the African genocides happening today.
     
  9. Wonder138

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    i do not agree with prison system at all i think i think it should be different when you got to jail your do not learn how to not make the same mistake you are not givin the tools to help you be a "better person" no prisons are designed to scare the living shit out of you and take away all your freedom so that you will "learn your lesson" but instead when a criminal gets out they make the same mistake agine
    thats why i don't agree
    and ya 26 years he got of easy compared to USAs life sentence
     
  10. Rathryn

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    I fully understand that, but as stated in the post quoted, I don't know the full circumstances and context and I simply thought of further ramifications when he got out of prison.
     
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