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2011 Norway attacks

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Bentheanarchist, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Bentheanarchist

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    Anders Behring Breivik, a right-wing extremist blews up government buildings, and kills 8 people, and later open fires on island of Utoya where 600 teenagers and children where staying and kills 69 people.

    Breivik stated it was an attack on muslims.

    I think of Anders Breivik as a idiot and a murderer, and I think he was :ecouteurs:
     

  2. nike

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    breivik is an sociopath very similiar to this una-bomber weirdo, but somehow more virulent than kaczynski, who never tried to talk others into his lone crusade - breivik is completely brainwashed by the "new voelkish' movement". he left traces and retraceable evidence all over the european right wing scene, contacting especially the militant groups like the e.d.l. in england - some don't believe that he didn't get support for his amok massacre from these weirdos.
    of course everybody denies now to have had any contacts with him in the past.
    his now top-secret 1500 pages-pamphlet is like an enzyklopedia of neo-fascism in the last 10 years, mentioning official xenophobes like angela merkel (german chancellor), rising stars like the i'm-not-antisemit populists like sarrazzin and geert wilders up to other murderous idiots like franz fuchs, who killed 4 people with immigration background between 1993 and 1997 with booby traps and mail bombs.
    i'm still trying to figure out how a single shooter could kill that many people without getting overwhelmed by a handful of resisters.
     
  3. nike

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    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,797739,00.html
     
  4. Bentheanarchist

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    Breivik is a nut job. They have to lock him up; he is a serial killer.
     
  5. vAsSiLy77

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    i have doubts that he is a serial killer, recently i stumbled over this one:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer
    like several of the other known spree/rampage killers, breivik had kind of a "reason" - his "statement" had 1500 pages copypasted from myriads of different sources all about his ultra-conservative christian fundamentalism and anti-islamism, nothing in this collection of rightwing junk was his own idea, his "intellectual education" is nothing but a pose and self-stylisation - presumably in the beginning to himself alone to ease his anxiety about his social and personal shortcoming. at a certain point this wasn't enough anymore and he must have made the decision to make a further/public "statement" - with the bomb attack and the mass-shooting of defenceless victims backed up by his written delusion and a 12minute vid in which he declared himself as the commander of a secret christian knighthood trying to save the okzident from the nazi-communist-muslim danger... maybe he planned the attack to go down "in flames" too - many rampagers consider this kind of "last stand" against a real or imagined enemy opposition - breivik blamed the "multicultural system" responsible for the downfall of norway and europe - and it would be more than interesting so learn how he sees his own fate in this context - maybe it will take years untill the detention is cooking him "soft". now he's nothing but a pose - still eager to make his "statements" and present himself as something else than a disorientated criminal unable to control himself - and i think his braindead image will suffer a lot in the coming trial, too bad his fans already make a legend out of this creep.

    some quite "opposite" example:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex
    http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/rbg-t ... ident.html
    the last one is really interesting because of the comments...
     
  6. butcher

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  7. nike

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    good analysis of the political part, but i miss a bit about his personal background - and some of the similiarities between breivik and some other self-declared saviours of the human race, including his numerous attempts to succeed as a businessman - each resulting in a bankrupty, or his incapability to enter into a relationship and his anxiety because of the "feminisation of the european male" - finally the relatively short time he needed to prepare for his "statement", given that his first extremist traces left only date back to 2009.
     
  8. vAsSiLy77

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    Old problem with the definition of "the modern sociopath" -there are some more or less prominent similiarities and aspects of an assumed importance - bit of "a looser on revenge" assumption - but the whole person is much more than that, alienated but functional beyond our capacity to analyze or "understand" via empathy - because mentally he's just a different dimension from what we call "human" - Elliot Leyton wrote a book about it, "Hunting Humans", depicting serial and rampage killers as far from being "insane" - but dangerously different.
     
  9. butcher

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    Yeah, i think the point of the article was to place his actions within some sort of a political context rather than 'diagnose' his mental health (or lack thereof).
     
  10. nike

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    dunno if it's helpful to nail breivik down on a psychiatrical diagnosis or an exact definition of his personal traits for the criminalist's drawer - more interesting is the background spawning this kind of "species" - eager for attention and recognition/appreciation and turning hostile and in the extremes ultra-terrorist if it's refused or put down - and i guess we have a least one live-example right here before our own eyes... (and i don't want to say our favorite loudmouths are "terrorists"...)
    the interesting point is how such a slogan- and polemics filled vacuum gains momentum and direction to become destructive - and in breiviks case - takes over a attitude/stance becoming more or less kinda personality: i'm the commander - of what, and on the personal level - with what?
    inside his fancy crusader coat of armor is n o t h i n g - like an empty shell - but he murdered 77 people...
     
  11. Bentheanarchist

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    Breivik was a mass-murderer; he commited crimes against humanity; he destroyed 77 people's lives.
     
  12. nike

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    far more, think about the family and friends of the victims - don't really know how i would feel if my younger brother would be killed just for some ragtag propaganda of a mindless selfdeclared "commander" of nothing...
     
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