Confess your consumerist ways...

Up those 18th century punx...

No, to both.

fuck_stupid_names



I'll feel like we're being pranked or something.

 

This thread reminds me of,

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


It made me go, wat.

 

i don't like folk shit, i'm sure there's crap out there that you could do with out as well. just because you don't agree with someone, that means that they shouldn't have opinions? wow way to stand up for shit you "pretend" to believe in. no wonder most people think that "punks" are idiots who just like to get high on drugs and be destructive. because people like you are portraying the stereotype of "say you believe it, but don't back it up with logical reasoning, or hold to convictions..what so ever" nice job, punkmar77. i truly hope that people do not follow your prime example, and realize that it is ineffably stupid to judge someone's ideals and opinions when most of the world is judging and putting yours down as well. great job of "unity" by the way. nice, nice, big round of applause for hypocrisy.. by the way...is sarcasm okay, or do you judge people for being smart enough to use it, and try and make them feel bad for their originality, gumption, and intelligence..because you don't understand it??
oh and yeah...
peace out bitches...WHAT (fuck you)
jes
p.s. if i ever find out that you have something nice, that you don't deserve, i'm gonna blow it up with fire crackers and chilli..haha

 

More counterproductive, incoherent ramblings. This is the last I'm going to comment about this person because it actually hurts to read the shit she posts. Is there an ignore option?


If the subject ever comes up, I vote ban.

 

fail


(on fuck_stupid_name's part, not punkmar... in case of confusion.)

 

Obviously we have been put in our places by a higher form of intelligence.... Bye bye Troll..

 

I can't really think of anything I buy other than baby stuff, food, the occasional article of clothing or the occasional tattoo mag. Beer once in a long while, but I'd love to learn to homebrew. Mainly diapers and shit, kids eat money. I have an mp3 player but that was given to me.

 

[/quote]Anarchy is a lot older than Punk, and yeah, there's a lot of mainstream, fake Punk, but there's still a goddamn underground, shit entire sungenres of Punk remain pretty underground...[/quote]

Rebelling against goverments, revolutions, yes is older.
But anarchy as a movement, from my research has stemmed from the punk movement.
As for the underground vs mainstream...
Maybe its just where I live, but there is no underground.
Probably why Im moving, cants stand the society that is where I live.
Nothing to do ever, and the meaningless threats just piss me off.

 

Well your research is wrong by over 100 years, it is in no way responsible to punk but punk does owe to anarchism, maybe you should hit the books a little more...

 

My list is...

Gas for my car.
Electricity for electric punk band/comfort/entertainment. Made through obviously detrimental ways, even "renewable" or "green" energy.
Anything made of metal, pulled from deep inside the earth and somewhat toxic. Zippers, metal buttons, sewing needles, eyelets on boots, screws and nails to hold my stuff together, wiring in amps, guitars.
My job is construction, and a result of me wanting money. building permanent structures is pretty criminal. Also I pay taxes as a result of my job, twice on everything, income and sales.
Food produced through agriculture. Agriculture marked the dawn of civilization and began the process of overpopulating the earth with human beings.


Pretty much everything I use is an act of hypocrisy, and I am realizing that everything I once believed in as a squatter and person who refused to participate in mainstream society has pretty much gone out the window. The last semblance of morality I cling to is exemplified by not having children with my wife.

 

Yeah taxes suck. Politicians have to get money for vacations and hookers from somewhere though. Worst part is, they just take it without consent, at least with my job. I don't know how the taxes work with construction (my own stints in construction were always under the table).

Ever live in florida? Or the high desert in southern california? You can live in a tent or build a hut, but the first bit of weather you get your "house" will blow away. I don't think shelter is criminal.

Personally, i like not having to forage through the woods looking for berries everytime I'm hungry, but to each their own.

Unless you're talking about how YOU personally shouldn't have kids....you'd better watch that shit. There's quite a few parents on this board. I can see having a problem with everyone producing like 10 kids, but having 1 or 2 is hardly immoral. "Morality". Psh, fuck morality. That's a word for republicans/christian fundementalists.

 

yes, of course the notion of an objective right and wrong is ridiculous as we all have access to such education as we do now. having children is fine, of course it is contributing to human over population and I like to think I am doing my part, and of course children people have had can be the pride and joy of their lives, giving them a reason to persevere and helping them to live a fulfilling life. My best friend has 2. I'm not judging those who have children, it is just a small contribution we can make as individuals, if we choose, to help with the human overpopulation problem, if the person in question believes the human population is too high. One that I have chosen to make, so far, in my life. I never thought I would have a job or live indoors before 3 years ago, so I won't say I will never have children. And sure, we can look at civilization as this great thing that helps us to live, I just try and take as objective a stance as I can, considering the suffering of all living things involved. Regardless of that, humans have lived in many different climates without scarring the landscape with permanent structures and without diverting the major water ways for hundreds of thousands of years, it is only in recent history that we have begun doing these things, and now people consider new developments necessities rather than luxuries. Not to argue really, just trying to explain the thought process that led to my opinions about my consumerist ways, and not trying to influence anyone to consider ecology or animals, really I don't care, but when communicating with others it is important to agree on some sort of a mutual reality or we won't understand each other.

Also, people probably do all these things, and that's fine, but more people use metal than have kids, just 'cause I don't do it doesn't mean I think it's worse than the things I do do. It's just way easier for me to live my life without kids.

 

Yeah overpopulation is a major issue, i don't want to sound like I don't take it seriously. The main places where overpopulation is at it's highest are third world places where due to such a drastic class divide, the people are so poor that sex is the only luxury they can afford and birth control costs money they don't have (though America is not far off). So I see it more as if we work to eliminate the class system, that can help end overpopulation. If someone wants to not have kids, that's cool. Even better would be to adopt. I support birth AND abortion. They key word in pro-choice is "choice".

 

well if i must i shall!

i do not pay for rent!

i got a ps3
and a brand new mp3 player as a birthsday present my other one broke and i had in a long time
i buy second hand clothes the most and enjoy it,
i own no fancy phone but it has internet acess
the computer i use right now is not even mine,
and i own a hell alot of books(primarily anarchist books)

 

I think about this a lot too, but in the end until we are on a commune or living in christiania or something, we are all selling out. And if you are not, you are a naked starving homeless guy. And corporations may seem evil, but I don't think they are. The people who run these corporations are capitalist bastards. However, the people who work to make the product, ship the product, and even the artists who design the advertisements deserve my money. These poor people are all part of the corporation. Microsoft, Apple, McDonalds, those corporations are not the bastards. The people who run them are. Steve Jobs was a bastard, Bill Gates is a bastard. Just like how Americans are not bastards, The leaders are. Maybe I just don't get Anarchism or whatever but, I would rather buy things from corporations and give money to the people who pay the workers then to not give money to people who are selling me things second hand and not creating more jobs in the process.

 

well, if you look at it like that, there are hundreds of people getting exploited by the corperations,i do not support these corperations which i can avoid, we live in a capitalist society, where the best thing we can do is informing and organize for the workers struggle with his/her low wage...

 

By supporting corporations you're supporting endless exploitation and capitalism. 'System works because you work' smart, eh ? And please, explain how Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, Sony (.....) are useful ? They all make same products, trying to compete on market. And to be honest, big corporations such as ones you mentioned have lots of useless jobs ( such as artist for adds, shipping workers etc. ) and I wouldn't want to see my money given away for such bullshit jobs. Big corporations is everything anarchism is against, pathetic work condition, exploitation, bullshit jobs, profit over safety and much more.

Please tell me what good would Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Apple, Microsoft, Walmart (...) be EVEN if the 'leaders' weren't 'bad' ?

 

No one is innocent today.If you wanna be a saint among anarchists there is a long way ahead of you.
It is almost impossible to be a non consumerist today in world that is fascinated by shiny things.
When i buy i try to do it with reason.When already buying i will try to support small local shops, farms, grocery shops instead well known corporations and "trademarks".
I try to avoid corporate products as much as i can, but they have made a never ending circle, a trap, an ilusion of how things must be if they are to work "properly".

Corporations are backbone of this civilization.Why would you support Coca Cola, why in the hell does anyone need fucking colored beverage that is more toxic then "healthy" or recipes that reeks of death in McDonalds.Only Apple i use is the one I find in my garden.
Every sickness that has happend so far is their way of playing games with people.
Fuck those bigots and boycott them as much as you can.