So where does this lead us?

I think that current society is on a self destruct course, and it will happen in the next 20 years. New society will have to bee more eco friendly and more aware of real needs and energy consumption. It will probably be a series of small communities forming a larger network, no big cities as today. Such a state of affairs will be a test for anarchism and other ideologies, and will make them or prove them wrong...

Will this happen? Who knows, we might destroy the planet before there is a chance for something like this...

 

I still believe in anarchism as meaning no governments, the people decide how to live their own lives, and secondary I feel the next 3 big things should be no military, (we should all however, be trained to some degree in defenses against oppressors.) no taxes, and no land ownership. I think people need to kind of make their own means, not really on governments, programs, societies etc. I agree with Banaman, smaller societies is a better alternative to the cities we crowd, and eco friendlier is alos a big must.

As far as how it will work, look like, etc... I have yet to hear a good plan on that. Anarchy can only truely work on a global scale, as one country deciding it wants anarchy could be easily invaded and taken over by others, unless the others want the same thing.

 

International Workers' Association you mean.

Emiliano Zapata (not an Anarchist, though Anarchists did fight with him in large numbers, and against him, but that's another story) was killed around 1920. The modern Zapatistas started their insurrection in 1994.

bourgeoisie*

Utopian. Cities can never be destroyed because the infastructure for them already exists and most industry is already there. However, over time, industrial production will be decentralized and there will be less of a difference between city and countryside. However to do this immediately would contradict being eco friendly because the required means to rebuild factories and such outside of cities will tear shit up, and it would mean expansion into forests and wetlands as well.



OP: This is your bible on building future Anarchism (or at least that's what Ricardo Flores Magon considered it): http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_ar ... t/toc.html

Real quick read, just over 200 pages and everything is layed out in layman's terms, and it's divided by topic.

 

well, One example for sanitation is I would hope items would have less packaging for one, since right now it is all about style over substance. In an anarcho society there would be no need to embellish items, I think it would be a big concept of what you see is what you get. While packaging wouldn't account to getting rid of all waste... if u really think about it, it would be a huge reduction if restructured. As far as garbage men and such, I imagine you would have to take your own garbage to the dump, or pay a friend to do it or something, (by pay I mean like trading a service or something, not monetarily). Medical care, is a tough one. Hopefully part of the restructuring of education we would learn actually important things likes treating certain injuries. as far as surgeons, they certainly wouldn't be the high paid arrogant bastards they are now a days. Hopefully an improved respect for life would contribute.

Well no embargoes, first of all. I imagine again a process of trading items, much more reliance on making things yourself than buying them.

These are just thoughts, I don't have any concrete answers.

 

ZOMG a positive thread!!

Trade services not money.

 

This bothered me. The chronology is all off.

Zapata fought in the Mexican Revolution in 1910. The comment "still alive" refers likely to their continued existence today.

As of late 2009, the EZLN exists. That's 99 years, which is close enough for me.

 

Hey, I appreciate the acceptance
I'm honestly not sure how a society would be run, but I do know for sure that unless there is a mutual love among people, nothing will get done, greed will take over, and we will be right back to square one. The biggest thing for me is for people to come together, especially in the westernized world.

 

The Mexican Revolution ended in 1920. I just didn't want to look up when Zapata was actually killed, it was definitely post 1910.

Ugh. It's a different group, different people. Noone who fought with the Liberation Army of The South is fighting with the modern EZLN, they're all dead. The modern ones were founded in 1983, and started their uprising in 1994. Different groups, similar ideology, your chronology is off.

 

u worry about your cuntry and i'l wory about mine, culture is powerful, therein needs focus but discuss away

 

i enjoy the vague idea of tribes without leaders and reuse the barter system to eliminate the want for materialistic motives

 

Both different topics in the post, but both seconded. I think the best way to envision a society where societal needs are no longer capitalized is one where the doctors, firemen, etc, have a right to a set amount of resources, same as everyone else and from that you can barter and trade resources and services based upon the ones you want to get. I.e.: healthcare and protection from fire, both as it comes up, I suggest doing most of this haggling afterwards by the way.... lol

 

no mistake, i meant focus rather than the whole picture all the time future, all good, and if u can change culture you have a better chance of changing the country for all, at large, as one size does not fiteth all except the general 'rules' etc