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serial killers

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by lefthandyouth, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. Bentheanarchist

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    Manson was a racist and killed a immigrant worker who was working for sharon tate. I do not care what happened to Tate though.
     
  2. vAsSiLy77

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    Ben, Ben, Ben... she was PREGNANT in the last days of pregnacy, the child already had a name and the people who were slaughtered with her were there only to keep an eye on her in case she would go into labor...
    her "fault" was being the daughter of some general, an upperclassgirl enjoying her abuse as one of many sexsymbols, dancing with vampires and marrying Polanski?

    and the other "rich" girl slaughtered was Abigail Folger, "only" a liberal, but with a long record of social work in S.F. and as far as i remember in Watts too...

    anarchists shouldn't "care less"... just because of someones social status?
     
  3. Bentheanarchist

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    It was in the 1960s; that was a long time ago. Though killing people who don't have weapons like that are civilians, and shouldn't be murdered; that is terrorism. Charles Manson became a nazi scientologist while in prison, and used Scientologist brainwashing to brainwash runaway teenage hippies. It was the prison's system that created The Manson Family.
     
  4. vAsSiLy77

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    many atrocities and crimes against humanity happened a long time ago, that's no argument - we have to learn our share out of history.
    mansons "girls" who never saw a prison from the inside before the familiy was busted came from "ordinary" or even "good" families and social backgrounds and some described the conflicts in the us-society sometimes very detailed and convincing - and these conflicts of society were the gap manson slipped in - turning the girls into murderesses.
    and i think the wise gobbledigooks was right in saying:
    the manson family was a perfect mirror of the society that spawned it.

    and let's not forget that the tate-killing was meant to be blamed on the militant blacks and to instigate an apocalyptical race war between black and white - while charlie would have been waiting down in his safe "bottomless pit" to emerge as the winner...
     
  5. Bentheanarchist

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    Manson tried to blame the radical civil rights movement, because he knew most black people supported the Black Panther Party then he is a white supremist sociopath racist, who was trying to create race war, and makes music for the big corporations, because he wanted popularity and moneys thats why he started it in the first place. I think your right about manson.
     
  6. nike

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    rrrrrecommended reading:
    Ed Sanders: The Family - The Story of Charles Manson's Dune Buggy Attack Battalion
     
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    what about elizabeth bathory?known as the 'bloodcountess'?she had killed about 600 virgins and would have her 'shower' in their blood.she was a complete freak..i would like her if she would kill sexist macho troll guys but killing females?disrespecting for my believes and my gender.check her story out though its interesting and very shocking
     
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    [quote="kata"
    i would like her if she would kill sexist macho troll guys but killing females?
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    what's the difference between killing a man and women ?
     
  9. nike

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    what's the difference between killing a man and women ?[/quote]
    strongly seconded - just because the victim of a murder seems to be "more acceptable" - because of the victims personal traits - it's still a murder and thus nothing any sane person would wish for...
    this whole weird phenomena isn't pop-culture or for any kind of thrilling entertainment, it's fucking serious for anybody involved - just imaging one of your relatives murdered by a sociopath...
    and about elizabeth bathory - sorry, but most of the story is just another hype:
    and in the realities of the 17th century it's very much probable that she was the victim of greed and political intrigues - aimed at one of the wealthiest and most powerful women of her time and just copypasted from the real crimes of Gilles de Rais in france, some 150 years before:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais
     
  10. vAsSiLy77

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    from growing up and going to school in hungaria i remember elizabeth bathory as a perfect example how the patriarchal society of the 17th century dealt with powerful women if necessary:
    after inheriting an immense family wealth she and her clan became a threat to the constantly fighting fractions of power-mongers for the hungarian crown, the bathorys ruled in transilvania and held many strategic strongholds holding off the osmanic invaders endangering the christian realm - so she had to go - and the defaming and smear campaigns started.
    the hungarian nobility wasn't really known for philanthropic notions or humanitarianism, the whole era was a really brutal and bloody time victimizing the weak and defenceless without any moral limits or alternatives not only in hungary, the osman sultans or transilvanian woiwode vlad tepes ("vlad the impaler" - who later became "dracula") would make the far more infamous examples how the rulers ruled with sometimes a more than sadistic passion - just for public deterrence...
    almost nobody died a "normal" death at this time, assassination was the usual way to get rid of this or that power competitor, so the household servants became the objects of a strict and brutal regime, minor offences or signs of disobedience resulted in torture and sometimes execution of the serf - and elizabeth bathory was no exception from this, so maybe her enemies just had to exaggerate a bit more and spread the story in the public... the comparison with "bluebeard" gilles de rais isn't that far from the realities - but unlike elizabeths alleged 600 murders his crimes are a historical fact and he was executed, his property divided and given to the french king and his underlings - but she never faced trial and was never convicted - as far as i remember her case was still in pending when she died in house arrest - but her children were allowed to inherit the family wealth and this wouldn't have been possible if she would have been found guilty...
    vlad tepes ruled transilvania 130 years before her time, his rule was brutal and very bloody too because of his many domestic enemies and competitors and the everpresent threat of an osmanic invasion, gruesome executions using impaling and other torture techniques were his order of the day, especially his terror propaganda against osmanic invaders resulting in mass impalings to frighten them out of their mind - too bad that some of his enemies published a bit exaggerated report of his deeds - voila, "dracula" was born, drinking the blood and feasting on the flesh of his impaled victims...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

    and i agree strongly, murder is a crime against humanity, no matter how much a victim seems to have "earned" it, it's very important to stay away from the "excitement" of horror stories and their public surface - beneath these stories there is only pain and suffering and there is no justification for this, and the shocking details aren't fun for mere entertainment.
     
  11. Bentheanarchist

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    Do you know where a PDF is? So I can Read it.
     
  12. slother

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    casey from terror firmer is my favorite serial killer
     
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    Ed Gein has always been my favorite, i just get tired of the sound of Charles Manson's voice :lmao:
     
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    I always liked Ted Kaczynski! ...oh wait...
     
  15. Bentheanarchist

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    “We do whatever we enjoy doing. Whether is happens to be judged good or evil is a matter for others to decide.” - Ian Brady

    "I am one of the few that truly understands what death and pain are all about...I have walked the same path as God. By taking lives and making others afraid of me, I become God's equal. Through killing others, I become my own Master. Through my own power I come to my own redemption. Once I seen the miracle light, I didn't never again have to fear or obey the Rules of no Man or no God...I'll die peaceful because my name is going to live as long as men have memories-as long as they talk about good and evil-and as long as they read my words of Final Truth." - Donald Henry Gaskins

    "Under the present system, the best and the worst you can do is just as you are doing now and this is making bad matters worse. Before you can ever put down crime you must change the system a whole hell of a lot. Also you must change your educational system. You must absolutely divorce the schools and prisons from all politics. As things are now, you are making criminals much faster than you are reforming those who are already in existence. Every child has some criminal tendencies. It is your place to correct those traits and teach them the right way to live while they are young and their minds are forming. Then when they do reach the age of reason and action, it will be quite natural for them to live clean, upright, honorable lives. In that way you will stop crime at its source before it begins." - Carl Panzram

    "Serial killers do, on a small scale, what governments do on a large one. They are products of our times and these are bloodthirsty times." - Richard Ramirez

    There are some really smart serial killers.
     
  16. Bentheanarchist

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    Oh, and what I previously said about manson, ive changed my mind about him since then.
     
  17. Bentheanarchist

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    I also believe Aileen Wuornos was innocent. I believe she was defending herself against rapists.
     
  18. Havran

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    Well, I have one favourite, but she was not a serial killer. Olga Hepnarová (that face in my avatar), in 1973 in Prague she drove a rented truck at full speed into a group of 20-30 people waiting for a tram, killing 8 of them, some other injured. She hated all the people and wanted to punish the society for her miserable life.
    She was sentenced to death and hanged in 1975.
    I don't know why, but her story is kinda...fascinating for me.

    Also, I like Josef Fritzl, but I do not approve what he did. Still interesting stuff.

    I'm just a horrible person.
     
  19. Spike one of many

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    You're one sick puppy :D
     
  20. Havran

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    Well, I think puppy sounds just too good to describe me :D
     
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