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Punks and Hard Drugs

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by punkmar77, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. nclpw

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    Haha its terrible!
     
  2. Sti

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    illegalization of things like that has always been a bad idea, im really glad that those things actually bring a lot of people together by making such an underground. wich really in turn only hurts the system itself-so to me the governmental perspective on this i thnk is all really perplexing. if not its probably just another freebie-another illusion of progress for the patriots. with the army of drugs and the war on drugs being almost equally as large in america it really leaves a lot to the imagination, considering those two things are larger in america than anywhere else. or maye the two are both sensible to eachother hahaha. as with examples of other countries, as the war on drugs decreases so do the users of drugs, but as the usage of drugs decreases so does the war on drugs. kinda leads me to believe that it is something the invisible hand of fate will figure out if the whole deal wasnt tampered with. or that tampering with it creates more users wich in turn is also a plus in adding rampant consumerist thought i think because of black market prices-turning that imposed underground into a cesspool of complacency wich truly does happen. because the underground empire is beneficial to them in a number of ways. economically its like a last line of defense...... as seen in washington and colorado-because to every stoner in america that just resounds as the great stoner migration to washington and colorado. in addition to the benefits of an unseen economy and steady flow of money being created and transfered outside the system and redeposited into it. and that underground economy is what keeps a fuck ton of people fed and a fuck ton of people rich both in and out of america, through america. so yeah its all really perplexing. but i dont really think decriminalizing only two states is really any progress at all in actuality its the slowest possible option to pick if you want to use hemp to solve alot of the destrudtion of the earth, because then the market for those products is restricted to as small of a market as possible-making it impossible to actually utilize the plant for anything OTHER than getting high. . and that makes the goal light years farther away, because of the illusion of progress (once again) and it still keeps third world countries in poverty, a chokehold imposed by the dea, diverting all of us from a lot of the good shit it could do and people it could actually save. i wish they hadnt made that move, i fucking hate it.
     
  3. stevrosoc

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    medication views

    anyone bein on medication what is your experience .bad and good side effects
     
  4. CrustCat

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    Re: medication views

    Are your asking for specific types (like anti-depressants?)
    I've been on Ambien, an insomniac's bittersweet victory. I hate how reliant you get on it, once you run out your issues are 5 times worst. I've also been a birth control called Seasonique that made me want to go postal, so that was VERY short lived. I rather control the population without the possibility of a hormonal fueled massacre.
    I flirted with the idea of testing out anti-depressants but somehow I manage to survive my dark days by forcing myself to do things I enjoy. I'm not saying this would work for everyone, but the days I start seriously plotting out a suicide plan I somehow manage to snap myself out of it and jump out kicking. A lot of anti-depressants have a fine print that says it may worsen depression, fuck that. Also dealing with the aftermath of running out of you prescription = woof.
     
  5. anessen

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    Sometimes antidepressants are necessary though. I've been trying to do what you've been doing, dealing with it by trying to stay positive and just getting out there, but for me it's several years on and it barely works at all.

    One reason I'm not a primitivist. Some people need better healthcare than wild berries and good intentions to keep going.
     
  6. Spike one of many

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    Ever tried LSD or shrooms? They can change your whole outlook on life. If you haven't you should definitely inform yourself first though about doing it in the right conditions, etc.
     
  7. CrustCat

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    I agree to an extent. I noted that I was lucky in my case, I know some people have it waaay worse. I just think people should research the pills they are being prescribed before ingesting it. Some of them react and make your depressing worse while on them or as soon as you get off them, which is pretty scary. I'm not saying to life a life free of pharmaceuticals, I'm trying to say be aware of side-effects and the possible aftermath.
     
  8. anessen

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    That is also true, my mother was on some nasty ones that actually made her worse. She went on some other ones and she was fine. I don't know what the fuck the first ones were meant to do but it didn't help.
     
  9. Dave Samsara

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    Although psychedelics can certainly change your understanding of reality and can be a way of shaking the shackles off your conditioning, I wouldn't recommend them to anyone living with mental health problems. I have worked with individuals who have gone badly wrong both as a result of taking them and opening up a previously undiscovered can of mental health problems, and aggrivating pre-existing ones.
    There are other more sustainable ways of living without anti-depressants, but they require effort and dedication, for example MBCT.... not everyone's cup of tea tho, but for those who put the effort in its hugely beneficial.
     
  10. Spike one of many

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    Psychedelics should definitely not be taken lightly. They have been shown to successfully treat depression, alcoholism and a host of other mental conditions in medical trials during the 60's before research with these psychedelics was banned. However these were conducted under medical supervision. It's true that there are risks involved, such as possibly uncovering a latent psychosis, rather than causing it. Still, maybe too great a risk to take.
    I've read that "scientists are already working on trying to develop drugs that mimic ketamine or LSD’s effects on the brain without all the hallucinogenic side effects", so maybe there's a glimmer of hope for the future? But at the same time removing it's spiritual benefits?
     
  11. anessen

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    I've tried weed to help with my depression, but it never really got rid of the cause of it so that was a bust. It's really good for relieving the symptoms though so maybe it should be used alongside some other type of treatment. It could be a good thing to take along with councelling, actually. Then you're sorting out the symptoms and the root problem.

    I don't know about LSD, is that really such a good idea on a fucked up mind?
     
  12. nclpw

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    probably shouldn't do any hard psychedelic drugs if you're not happy.
    but doesn't taking illegal drugs do the same shit for you in the long run as prescribed meds? i mean its all instant relief isn't it.
    there must be a reason why they don't use thc to treat mental illness though, i'm sure they've thought about it. i think it might not have the desired effect on some, even if its just a small dose it could trigger a psychosis. it didn't do shit for me anyway, only made everything worse. then again, so did meds.
     
  13. Dave Samsara

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    As much as drugs offer relief from symptoms of depression etc, that is all they can often do. They offer relief but do not address the underlying condition. Drugs might help us through a sticky patch and medication might help keep us on the level. This might well be necessary for periods of our life. Unfortunatly, drugs wear off then we have to take some more. Or we build up tollerance and have to take increasing doeses or switch medication. For those of us who experience metal health issues, long term recovery, or at least managing to live with our pain rests in understanding the condition, noticing the triggers as they arise, and not pushing them away or burying them under a fog or disguising them as something else. It is our attitude to this moment, how we meet it - either as aversion or acceptance that we can build our recovery upon. I'm not dismissing drugs as they can be beneficial at times, but in my opinion they're not the answer long term.
    I'm not saying i'm right, so please disagree if you feel otherwise. I'm just trying to put another spin on the drug issue.
     
  14. CrustCat

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    Agree with all of that ^
    Besides, they are constantly recalling drugs because they do more harm than good. I live right next to a Rite Aid and can help but read up on which pill of the day killed dozens of people because it turned out it accelerate heart problems. It's a gamble to take prescriptions, especially if it's a fairly new.
     
  15. stevrosoc

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    i party hard for ten year on party drugs and mushroom( alcohol which is a depressant)and ended up with psycosis i went on anti psycotics to feel normal put on so much weight i got depressed had the emotions of a piece of wood felt like i was being controled and not myself.eventualy felt normal again when i came off them and took drugs again same psycosis came back.went back on got better again havent had to take em for bout ten years i have suffered from depression when my dad died and just started exerciseing to release serotonin naturaly it got me through and changed my view i know people who are conviced will never live without meds.but the doctors get paid when ur on them they worked in with the drug companys.but the way i look at it its like a light switch going off in your brain swith it on again you will be find doctors would have you on for the rest of ytou life makes no difference to them .just my view and experience
     
  16. nclpw

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    yeah its always best to try and pull through it yourself, but everyone needs help every once in a while. and i can imagine a psychosis would be difficult to get through on your own.
    haha, its too easy to see whats right when you feel good though. i know i`d just get pissed off if someone told me the things i were saying now if i were depressed.
     
  17. Spike one of many

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    Well, I don't want you to get a psychosis because I gave you some bad advice, haha, so maybe not. I don't know, you'd be taking a risk. How great a risk, I'm not sure. Everyone takes that risk when using lsd for the first time but the risk may be greater if you're already mentally ustable. That's why I said to properly inform yourself and do some research on it. I just thought that taking anti-depressants for years is also pretty risky and has many side-effects and you say they're not really working for you anymore so I thought it might be an alternative. It did give me a new perspective on life so I just thought it could do the same for you.
    LSD can mimic a psychosis and I've experienced that too once and although it's very short-lived, it's not very pleasant, in fact, it feels like you're going insane :ecouteurs: haha. And I wouldn't wish that on anybody for any extended period of time, so maybe just forget it.
     
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    I don't know, you'd be taking a risk. How great a risk, I'm not sure. Everyone takes that risk when using lsd for the first time but the risk may be greater if you're already mentally ustable. That's why I said to properly inform yourself and do some research on it.are you fucking serious Lsd is fun to take but if you think is gonna change your view because you took it your obviously watched the doors movie too much
     
  19. Spike one of many

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    Dude, I'm not new at this. I don't base my views on some movie but on my own experiences. Acid can be a lot of fun, it can be a wonderful and deeply spiritual experience which can change your entire preconceptions about life but it can also be a terrifying experience. Obviously you haven't been tripping long enough to know that or you haven't had the right dose.
     
  20. stevrosoc

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    i have taking pure lsd for week on end frest from the ground magic mushroom that are better than lsd trip so i think your tripping
     

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