Political Convictions?

awww i missed you guys as well haha

 

Hang on, at me? That I think your jealous of her? I think there"s a misunderstanding. I was quoting what I remember someone commenting that ugly and beautiful people generally have it tough in this shallow world. I didn't have you in mind at all. And I hope this is not a sexist thing to say and I hope you don't take offence to this but you'd have no reason to be jealous of her anyway. Please don't take this the wrong way!! I mean you might even have it tough (and not because you're ugly).

 

i'm jealous of her, i wish i could pull of those shorts

 

gurl you could pull of any shorts

oh in that case i misunderstood but "Everyone secretly hates the prettiest girl in the room"? ya can`t blame me

 

Do you get that feeling sometimes that other girls have a grudge against you?

 

Hahaha no! You misunderstand, I mean "everyone secretly hates the prettiest girl in the room" meaning I would hold a grudge against her for being pretty.

 

Oh haha. Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway.

 

again, i think you misunderstand. I`m not saying i was jealous i was trying to say you made it sound as if i was.

 

I know that, maaaan hahaha I think we're just misunderstanding each other for some strange reason. I vote we just put it to rest for now

 

hey no voting on the anarchist forum!

 

haha okayokay, so we came to an agreement to put it to rest because it was really off topic.

 

We agree that she should defend herself - but give her some time, if she's got PTSD or something like that, it might take a while before she can overcome it all, especially considering the amount of attention that this case (no matter the reasons) have gotten So I think we just need to have patience.

But it sounds like we're closer to an understanding apart from that. I consider a certain amount of idealism to be essential to upholding your anarchist ideals (let's face it, we're pretty far from a situation where we can make a larger-scale anarchist community anywhere), but it's of obvious that some sort of action needs to be taken all in all.

 

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8W4DEMUSeM[/video]

 

Of course, but what when anarchism ends up being just that.
I think thats part of the problem, we keep waiting. There isn`t going to be a right moment, we have to do it ourselves.

Haha thats gonna be stuck in my head the rest of the night.

 

ncipw:
Which is why, to me, I think it's important that we're all different. It's nice to have thinkers, idealists etc., who might have ideas for a better system - but it's important to have the ones that can make it happen through direct action etc.. - Personally I'm pretty much a pacifist, but some might argue that it's important to have those who dare take the battle with the state directly when it comes to that.
So in that sense, you're completely right - Somebody has to do it and it might as well be us, as we can't count on anyone else doing it. Use every human resource perfectly and we can pave the way. Maybe it won't be in our lifetime, but it won't be in the next either if nobody does anything.

 

Sure its nice, but when the whole movement is primarily idealists and thinkers it won`t ever go anywhere. Thats a very typical mindset, always trying to make it better for ourselves in the future. Nothings gonna happen if we don`t do something now. Then again me saying these things and not doing anything doesn`t make me any better.

Oh and as for the whole snitch thing, I`m pretty sure she cooperated. She got out, thats all the proof we need.
Blah I`m sick of this already.

 

ncipw:
Doesn't sound like we disagree - somebody definitely has to do something. The big question is what.

Well maybe you're right, but as I've said, I'd like to hear her statement - and I think we need patience for that.

 

Haha yes, we keep waiting for that someone though.

Yeah of course. But it will only be her statement as the grand jury won`t say anything.

 

Punkmar77:
Well, anarchism will never be a system for more than a few people then. If anarchism isn't capable of incorporating a lot of different people into it, with their strengths and weaknesses, then it's not a system I can relate to. It's conformism then.
Maybe you wouldn't want a person like me in a direct action - honestly, I don't care. At least I'm honest. I know, that I would do my best to never tell, I know that I've been stubborn in dangerous situations before - But I also know that I've never been in the situation that Matt, Kteeo and Leah is in. And honestly, I've haven't got the strongest mental health (don't want to talk too much about that here), so I can only be honest about it. I don't know if I would be able to handle it. And I have my doubts about whether a lot of people I know in the anarchist community would - even if they claim so.

I'm not part of any direct action, and honestly, I'm fairly inactive in the anarchist community - I mostly believe in it as a political idea. Why? Because of blind conformity and "soldier-mentally". Solidarity should be bred through ideals, respect for differences, inclusion and a feeling of community, not forced.

I still find the way of comparing american students to people in a war absolutely missing the point. I'm not saying no american students will be able to hold, that no one is dedicated enough, but I'm saying that you can't compare their situations, and that the lack of training, experience etc. will have an impact on some. You can come with a million cases of people who were able to stand the test, and it's all very good, but I just really dislike the comparison to war-situations, and I fully believe that it's important to look into these peoples situation for what it is, and remember who they are - if PTSD is involved here, it's a human factor.

Anarchism isn't a joke, but it sure as hell isn't an ideal of conformity either. And no matter why you've chosen to be involved in anarchism, you have a personal background, personal relations etc. And it has an impact on your ability to withstand.

I compare what you're preaching here to bureaucracy. Blind, standardization of what human beings are, based on your rational assumptions on what they SHOULD be, rather than who they actually are. That's inhumane system-thinking in my opinion. It's exactly the thinking that makes some people say to the mentally ill that they should "snap out of it and get a job".
I don't think I'm dishonoring anyone saying that - I'm pretty sure that conformity is not what they were fighting for.

And I know that you will disagree, and I know that I'm making myself unpopular, but I believe, that a system has to embrace every human and their personal resources.
The only way we can keep people from talking and make them able to resist is by showing solidarity, understanding and acknowledging their sacrifice. The kind of system thinking that you're preaching here, is what makes me lose faith in the anarchist movement.