Political Convictions?

oh so they don`t have the right to pull you out of a country if you try escaping? I mean if you`re a US citizen. Just wondering, I have no clue how those laws work.

 

oh there ya go.

 

Also, been reading lots of interesting comments on this whole deal on anarchistnews. And I have to agree with morethanfights, people are patronizing her because shes a pretty girl. She has made herself a victim though. Snitching or "cooperating" is always going to happen but its her own fault she made such a freaking big deal out of herself.

Don't forget there are two more that will go to court, and shes getting all of the attention. More than she deserves.
I don't know, seems like she got herself into something she wasn't prepared for. You have to expect jail time or just avoid getting caught if you're going to break the law.

 

ncipw:
I think she was semi-famous for her look and stencilling and such already before this happened, so it's not just about her look - it helps if you've already got a network before the whole thing.
But sure, she does get way too much of the attention maybe compared to the other two - if it's her fault or just because of a media obsessed with look and image I don't know.

 

Oh no, I'm not talking about her tumblr fans, its more hearing what the people that support her say. Defending her by saying she's just a young american girl is pretty patronizing.
She is an adult and fully liable for her own actions, there is no need to defend her, she should do so herself. She owes it to her community to tell them what happened, even if its obvious.

I don't think there's a point in arguing whether she cooperated or not, she obviously did just by attending the court, but I think its stupid that she gets all the attention even if its more negative now than in the start. Her two other mates are doing an amazing job and all you hear is "Leah blabla leah snitch bla poor girl".

 

ncipw:
I think it matters that she's a student, with the normal life of an american student - that is really another basis to come from that being in a war or poverty stricken country fighting a revolutionary fight against great oppressors between life and death, as some people here seems to think she can be compared with. I don't think most western young people can be compared to that.
Furthermore with Post-Traumatic Stress, I think it's important to remember that she's a human being and maybe couldn't take the pressure - if we don't have any understanding of that, we're no more humane than the system.

But I do agree that she should probably tell herself (though I get that it can be a lot of pressure), and I agree that the two other resisters who've kept their silence so far should receive more attention. No doubt there.

 

No, I still agree with Punkmar on that one. I know girls that would put her to shame too, that have been in far worse places than she has. Girls that grew up in very safe environments.
If you`re not ready to handle the pressure you shouldn`t be involved. If you, however, are happy with your life when it comes down to it, but like being an idealist in your high end apartment, and like shaking your fists at your HD tv at those damn capitalists but aren`t willing to do anything then thats okay too, just stay out of it. Don`t take on more than you can handle.
Stop patronizing her goddamnit.

 

To me it's more a matter of principle. Everyone is so eager to condemn. We all have our personal opinion of whether she snitched at to what extent. It just sickens me that so few are at least willing to give her (not just her but anyone. It could be you) the benefit of the doubt until we know for sure. Among the comments on AnarchistNews there has been mention of a possible gag order, of hospitalization and police tactics. Yes there are valid arguments against this but that's not my point and have to agree with Shuei on this one. How are we any different than the system if we don't at least give people the benefit of the doubt?

 

Eager to condemn because she made a really big deal out of it and refuses to explain herself. Shes not the first one to cooperate or snitch, call it whatever you like. I just don`t see the problem of telling people what happened if she has nothing to hide. And I honestly doubt anyone would beat her up for "snitching".

If you are going to defend her at least stop saying shes just a poor little white girl, shes not, and I doubt she would like hearing that either.

 

I never said that and I wasn't just referring to her in particular but in general.

I agree she was naive to think she could handle the pressure.

Someone commenting said snitches need stitches or something.

 

I wasn`t saying that to you in particular. I just have a feeling that she did get all that support for those reasons, seeing that her two friends have gotten nowhere near as much attention. That sickens me, just shows how much of a difference your looks or gender can make in any community, in any situation.

Thats all talk, they just bullshit like that. I doubt anyone would beat her up.

 

I'm sure she did. Someone else also said something like "god help you if you're ugly in this world but also if you're too pretty. Everyone secretly hates the prettiest girl in the room" That's why I kinda like the idea of the early anarcho-punk bands not to slap a picture of themselves on the back of their records.

 

ncipw:
"Poor little white girl" is not the point, the point is only the way she was being compared to people fighting in actual warlike situations, as if she was a soldier. We simply can't compare these things.
I'm saying that if she has said something, it's a shame, but it's understandable, as she's a human being, and we all make mistakes.

Honestly, it's this view on human beings from the anarchists here that made me leave the anarchist movements. I refuse to be yet another bureaucratic system, dealing with people as if they are always strong, rational and well-informed. People seem to expect everyone as being the same, and coming from the same background.
And you saying you know girls that would put her to shame is exactly proving my point. Without trying to offend you, we just can't make a movement based on the assumption that everyone is equally capable of resistance.

And like I've said before, I fully agree that her friends should receive more attention, and that the reason people care is that there's such a big deal made out of it.
I'm just questioning wether SHE made a big deal out of it, or the fact that she already had a network and a bit of a name made a big deal out of it.

 

You`re not seriously saying that I`m jealous of her? Am I not allowed to have an opinion on this without being told that? Seriously? You`re not the first that has implied that, just because I`m a girl I automatically hate all other girls, right? You don`t know enough about me to say that, I was just stating a trend I noticed after reading the whole topic the fact that everyone automatically wants to protect the little girl without knowing whats really going on. I didn`t even know what she looked like before I actually bothered looking into this thread after reading about it on other sites.

edit:
I didn`t see your reply. Your background doesn`t matter. You don`t have to be raised by freaking panthers to realize when its time to say "hey, I`m not ready to take on all this responsibility so I`m just going to be honest with everyone". Thats all it takes, no one expects you to be trained in guerrilla tactics, no one expects you to be the hero, so don`t try. We don`t need heroes.
It was her blog, and the video she made in jail or before going to jail.

 

ncipw:
Was that meant for me or Spike?
If it was pointed at me - I had no idea you were a girl. But no, jealousy is not the issue here as I see it. The issue is, that if we start expecting a lot from people on basis of "we" or what "our friends" would be capable of, it's like the republicans saying that everybody could work 3 jobs and have the capabilities of getting a scholarship and becoming rich. It's just not that simple, and it's a dehumanizing system. And saying "stay out of it" is wasting a lot of human resources for the anarchist movement - I honestly don't think I'd be worth much in a situation such as hers, or that I would be capable of much in a fight between police and anarchists - But I hope to be able to bring something in through hard work, knowledge, organization and enlightening others to what anarchism is really about. BUT, therefore I am still part of the movement, and should my friends do some sort of political action, there's a risk I could be taken into custody for refusing to cooperate.

 

hahahahahahahahaha "snitches get stitches" is a popular term that douche bags use in the USA. Like douchebag red neck types have decals that say that on the back of their lifted trucks and shit

 

Oh no that was pointed at spike.
Its happened before and its bound to happen again. No ones taking away her anarchist membercard. I just think she should explain herself, thats all.
Well no, that depends on how you picture this happening and if you actually can imagine or are willing to great an anarchist scape where you live. I`m just tired of idealists, thats all. Preaching but never actually doing anything.

 

man ive been away for a few days and missed all the fun

 

Welcome back, we missed you