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Crass: Capitalist traitors using copyright laws against Anarcho-Punk.Net - 3000 albums deleted because of these greedy selfish sellout bastards

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  1. gunning for revolution

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    As i have stated in other posts, they do a lot. I think they have some peace punk ideals. They are involved in many protests that are for the people or anti government. They donate most of their money to stuff like PETA. And maybe they sell merch to promote themselves, because as i have said in other posts, they are trying to get the message out.
    I don't know who said this, but in one thread someone stated something like, "what is the point of singing and doing stuff in the culture that already does it. Why not go out and try to spread the message by going a bit mainstream."
    I keep myself updated on Anti-Flag and they still do all of the previously stated.
    And they still have just about every little "punk" ideal as you, Crass, Aus-Rotten, or any other punk/anarchist/etc.

    And as sad before, this is supposed to be about Crass. So stop bringing the other bands up. And I never said anything about one band being better than the other. So stop putting words in my mouth.
     
  2. ungovernable

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    btw, PETA is a big joke.

    And donating money is not an excuse for selling out to big labels and hollywood.

    You can reach a lot of people without selling out to MTV, hollywood, and big labels.

    Do you seriously think that the fans who enjoy anti-flag just because they saw it on the TV and because it's trendy care about the message ?

    Wow, you're putting Anti-Flag and Aus-Rotten on the same level ? Please stop making yourself look ridiculous.

    You said that Crass are sellout but you say Anti-Flag are not. This means that they're better than Crass, genius.
     
  3. Caps

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    You mean you don't? I thought all punks went around with a whole entourage. When I was on stage I made sure all rants were ok'ed by the suits first.

    Regards to the Anti-Flag vs Crass thing. It's stupid. The bands are totally different. I don't know if AF have ever directly funded any causes. However, I can't be sure that Crass ever did either. But then, to be fair to Crass, they weren't raking in shed-loads of cash. At the end of the day, Anti-Flag are definitely not anarcho-punk - sell outs or not; good band or not.

    But yes, Mother Earth beats all Anti-Flag for me. Stations of the Crass remains a hugely enjoyable album. But I have never really loved Crass or their sound, always preferred many other anarcho acts. I always loved the idea and ethic they represented. I think it's a shame that that is tainted.
     
  4. THEBLACKNOVA

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    check out this pic from a Sep 9th, 2012 protest in Santiago, Chile:

    CHECK OUTT THE FLAG WITH THE CRASS LOGO


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    I dont think they got the memo...

    More picks and text from chilean anarchists at this tread: viewtopic.php?f=9&p=63433#p63433
     
  5. KhaosXRevolution

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    He wasn't saying that Anti-flag was an anarcho band. He's saying that they have similar beliefs and are participate in activism like those bands. You don't have to insult someone directly just because you don't agree with the bands he likes, it's petty. It's all based on perspective.

    He thinks Crass is a sell-out band, it's an opinion. Not a fact. And even though a band sells out, their original message will still remain so technically, no band is better than the other.

    Why do you think it's okay to constantly bother people about the bands they like in the way you do? You did the exact same thing to someone who liked the Exploited. No offense, but it's kind of elitist.
     
  6. crustybeckham

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    That's exactly what I mean when I say that the Crass legacy, the anarchopunk spirit so to speak, will not be tarnished because of some members of Crass (I mean, it never was really Crass as the collective they used to be, was it?) and Southern's behaviour. Punk belongs to the punx, right?
     
  7. punkmar77

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    This is anarcho-punk.net....not punkrock.com or chaosdrunx.com or any other punk worship bullshit, we are critical of bands actions for a reason not just randomly because we think their music stinks, if that were the case there would literally be thousands of bands we would criticize, anarchism is a constant questioning of oneself and all around you, if you can't take the heat of criticism then maybe you shouldn't be on an anarchist site...The Exploited have a lot of very questionable actions to answer for, so do many other bands and they will be criticized and asked to explain themselves...this doesn't mean that people that enjoy these bands should take it as a personal affront, because if you do, then maybe you aren't questioning things around you as much as you should and are probably indulging in hero worship.
     
  8. morethanfights

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    hahahaha i dont give a fuck, i like the exploited, and crass does have some fun catchy songs, but i never cared about them or their politics anyway so this doesn't really bother me a whole lot, but oh man anti flag?
     
  9. ungovernable

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    They both used to.

    Just saying, Anti-Flag released a CD "benefit for victims of violent crime" recently. Not political, but still helping a cause.
    However, it doesn't change anything to the facts previously stated, and doesn't give them the right to sell their ass to hollywood.

    Listen, i don't give a fuck if he likes anti-flag, i'm just saying they're sellouts. You have the right to listen and like Anti-Flag if you want, you even have the right to like Green Day and Billy Talent if you with. But don't come on a fucking ANARCHIST forum and start claiming they're not sellouts while - on the other side - admitting that Crass are sellouts.

    Seriously, i hate Crass, but it's fucking stupid to say that anti-flag are better or not sellouts compared to them.

    It's a fact. Especially since this whole story with APN came out. Read the topic before commenting.

    We're talking about what Anti-Flag is today. Not what it used to be.

    You still didn't understand anything. Read what i said again. The problem is not about liking anti-flag but defending them and pretending they're anarchists and not sellouts. Look, i like some of the early anti-flag stuff. In some rare occasion i even listen to their stuff. So i don't have a problem with people who like them. I have a problem with people defending their integrity. You can listen to a band but still admit they're just in for the money.

    Yes and i will do it again.

    Obviously you don't care about band's politics if you like shitty nazi-liking grey-zone fence-walking bands like The Exploited, captain obvious.
     
  10. morethanfights

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    jesus, some grumpy people. :*
     
  11. Repulsive Cocks

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    you know i always loved them but now i lost all respect. happened with anti flag after they became capitalist. Turncoats :ecouteurs:
     
  12. KhaosXRevolution

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    It's not punk worship. But everyone is constantly bitching at each other because the bands they like are sellouts; why not focus on other things? The Exploited, Anti-Flag, Casualties, etc aren't even anarchist in nature, it's just pure punk music. Question the activities of actual anarcho-punk bands because they are the ones that are representing the scene.
     
  13. Repulsive Cocks

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    KhaosXRevolution nicely said. I hate when punks bitch about non anarchist punk bands and saying "Their sellouts, their this. their that" just enjoy thier music or dont listen. Crass in this case call their selves anarcho punks and that why we are being critical of them.
     
  14. Bakica

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    What the fuck does this word even mean ?

    They are (They're) != Their
     
  15. punkmar77

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    If you don't like it then you can move the fuck on out of this forum specially using misogynist and sexist language which is completely unwelcome here..
     
  16. ungovernable

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    Why not focus on other things ? Maybe because we should start by fighting capitalist traitors on our own side and in our lives before pretending to want to fight the whole capitalist system.

    We must trace the line between what is real anarchist music and what is not if we want to keep the integrity and seriousness of the scene. Or else it will just be a big joke, just like what mainstream punk rock has become today

    The same goes for Anti-Flag. They claim to be anti-system and anti-capitalist but they support and use this system for their own profit. They're just like Green Day and other sellout bands. If you can't understand why we critise them you have a serious problem of understanding what being anti-capitalist is all about.
     
  17. Repulsive Cocks

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    i was siding with you. i apologize my wording might of been a little confusing. i was just saying that i dont like when punks agrue about what sellout and whats not when bands arnt anarhist i feel its tearing apart the scene. I feel that if the band says their anarchist "Anti flag and crass" they should live up to it. Crass and anti flag are two i beleive because they say their for the people and are anarchist but use capitalism to make their selves rich. still i humbly apologize for my wording. :S
     
  18. Harrison

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    I don't know if this has been brought up yet, this thread is long and I have just seen.

    Is the overall sentiment that ALL of Crass are capitalist traitors? Or just Steve Ignorant and Southern? Because he is the architect behind all this wretched shit and all the moneygrubbing. But it's probably also the rest of the band's fault for not monitoring how their name is being used?

    That's probably like half this thread or something and I'm a dumbass for not looking.

    Anyways, it's totally a fact that Crass at least in some way maybe not involving all the members, are sellouts now. There is no way you can turn to a capitalist copyright law and not be a sellout. FACT. Damn near science. Still I don't think that that completely destroys Crass' earlier message. I mean Laura Grace Jane (T Gabel) and Against Me! are totally sellouts now. But that doesn't mean National Myth from '97 (Vivada Vis) doesn't occasionally get me all choked up. But still, I wouldn't go waving a Crass flag and if I had a back patch, I'd totally (maybe mournfully) cut it off. No tolerance for betrayal.
     
  19. Horrid Cross

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    Omfq, crass, whatta hella you doin'? :(
     
  20. Boomstick

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    Oh FOR FUCK SAKE WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

    Seems the hero-worshipping will never end in my country... fuck them if they don't want to realize the truth about their sell-out heroes.
     

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