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McDonalds animal cruelty exposed... again

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ungovernable, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. ungovernable

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    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRS-kzgoRq0&feature=player_embedded[/video]

     

  2. Caps

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  3. ungovernable

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    It was the supplier of McDonald's before this video was published
     
  4. Sick Boy 77

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    And this is why I don't eat there. Shit like this has been going on for many years.
     
  5. Ivanovich

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    So what part of killing cows and turning them into burgers isn't cruel??
     
  6. ungovernable

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    There is degrees to cruelty. Obviously this case is a bigger problem than others. Be serious, you're never going to stop people eating meat. Stopping useless cruelty in slaughterhouses is a more realistic objective.
     
  7. VeganShteve

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    The animal cruelty is immediately "exposed" by the fact that they make huge money off the sale of meat and dairy. Welfarist positions or "humane treatment" crap are worse than useless - if someone enslaves and exploits an animal, that is unacceptable, no way about it.
     
  8. Incalight

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    Exactly.

    Doesn't matter how you cut it, 'Happy meat' equates to a dead cow, born to be used, exploited, killed then served up as a burger. Anybody that says they 'care' about the treatment of animals, then sit there stuffing their face with dead cow burger...well, jeez, what do they do to things they don't care about?
     
  9. ungovernable

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    Oh ok, so if you eat meat you can't care about the treatment of animals. What a fucking stupid point of view. I'm not vegetarian but i still care about HLS and animal experiment, and i'm still angry when i see abusive bad treatments like in this video. You're never going to end meat eating but you can end useless animal suffering.
     
  10. Incalight

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    If you're willing to eat animals that have been raised for the purpose of being slaughtered for human consumption - and their life by the way is far from pleasant. Then do you care? I dunno, I'm sure you think you do. I think a lot of people are ignorant. Socially conditioned from birth, that is a very natural thing for them and maybe hard to cut through.

    The problem with 'welfarist' they actually PROMOTE the idea that meat-eating is okay.

    I know plenty of people that have become vegans and vegetarians, and then in turn people they know have become veg. But as far as ending it, I think society is a long long way from that, but it certainly ain't going to be helped with people that promote a welfarist point of view.

    I'm actually surprised you say you eat meat, I think most gigs I've played at - that were I guess comprised of 'anarcho punk' bands, were vegetarians and vegans, food and drinks always vegan. I thought that stuff kinda goes hand in hand. Equality, right to life, right to not be exploited.
     
  11. schindler249

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    exactly.
     
  12. persona-non-grata

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    to some extend I aggree with you vegetarianism/veganism going hand in hand with anarchism BUT I see a lot of self proclaimed anarchists that turn this into an elitist point of view where they would say that someone who eats/uses meat, dairy or other animal product can not be an anarchist I even believe that someone who consumes animal products can be someone who cares about animals but in a way is blindsighted by thier own views on suffering and I never think personal choices should turn into elitism! \m/

    to go a little off topic here I am a vegetarian for over a year and a half now and never had any problems with it I still live with my parents and my sister who still eat meat and in the last few weeks on some occasions I have started craving meat again I don't know why these cravings are there and untill now I have been able to resist them but I don't like it one bit does anyone maybe have some suggestions as to stop these cravings or maybe some personal experiences with the problem any help would me much appreciated

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    nutz!
     
  13. ungovernable

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    You can be anarchist and eat meat. I'm not a vegetarian but i don't eat a lot of meat. I think the biggest problem is the over-consumption of meat. That's why meat is over-produced and traditionnal farms are left apart for industrial farm, which ends up in bad treatments because animals are seen as products.

    However, i am planning to become a vegetarian, it's just not easy. Especially because i have a bunch of alimentation and health problems. But blaming meat eaters is fucking stupid, especially if you say they can't care about animals if they eat meat then youre not helping your cause. That's like blaming a drug addict for taking drugs

    I repeat it again, i can eat meat and still think that we shouldnt test useless products animals, i can still think that HLS are fucking bad, still get involved in ALF actions, still think that industrial farms are bad, still fight against McDonalds, etc.

    Meat eating is here to stay wether you like it or not. We can't force ppl to become vegetarians. Face the truth.
     
  14. Caps

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    I agree that a) meat eaters can care about animals and b) we cannot force the world into vegetarianism.

    However, I think it's something that is on the rise and will continue to rise (much like atheism, though for entirely different reasons). As you've said, eliminating your meat in take is difficult for you due to health reasons and so I don't think anyone has the right to tell you how best to look after yourself. But I would raise questions of how beneficial the meat eating is. I also think that if you are to be involved in supporting groups like the ALF, then you should seriously consider your diet. Vegetarianism/veganism is the easiest and biggest change you can make for the benefit of animals.

    I would suggest some variety or trying something new. If you eat a lot of meat-alternatives, try some wholly vegetable/grain dishes that really on spices for flavour. If not, maybe get yourself some veggie burgers/chicken whatever to give you an artificial 'meat' boost. I've been veggie for 8 years and vegan for 5 of them so the cravings are pretty much gone. Maybe get yourself a veggie friend to cook/eat with - food's always better shared!

    EDIT: Check the recipe thread for a recipe that should satisfy your taste buds.
     
  15. punkmar77

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    Life-stylism should never be equated with anarchism, how many of the pasts most wonderful anarchist revolutionaries have been vegan or vegetarian? Yes it is a natural progression in anarchism but to discount people because of lifestyle is elitist garbage better associated with Crimethinc than anarchist theory and practice.
     
  16. Caps

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    No argument from me, Mar. I can see how people can make vegetarianism a logical development from an anarchist view but not a logical necessity for all. The priority, I'd argue, should be humans. I don't think that's exactly speciesism or, at least, an illogical speciesism. However, if someone is going to support animal rights groups - especially those that are considered 'extremists' - then I would argue a vegan or a well-considered diet would be sensible too.
     
  17. Incalight

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    I agree with most of what you wrote there, I don't like labels anyhow - which is why I put it [anarcho punk] in quotes. My point really was what perhaps punkmar was better at articulating than me - the natural progression, and certain people you would expect to have reached that point and yet haven't.

    Anyways, your cravings might be due to deficiency. Make sure you're getting a good diet, plenty of iron and a good variety of food. If it's the 'taste' or texture you're craving, I dunno if your country has the same kind of food like the UK. But a lot of new vegetarians find that those pies and things that they sell in health food shops and places are helpful. There's the thread that caps mentioned on this site, but also lots of free recipes on the internet. You know, it's good to experiment, make sure you're eating an interesting variety. I hope your family are supportive of your diet, and not ridiculing you. If they are supportive, perhaps you can get them to go vegetarian every other day or something, so you haven't got it in your face daily. Sorry, I've prob just repeated a lot of stuff caps already mentioned. It will get easier, you'll reach a point where the sight and smell of it will completely repulse you and the cravings will be gone.


    Well, that makes sense - it does seem a bit weird to add to the cages by consumer demand. But, you know, he can be a supporter and recognized as one whether he eats meat or not, but never a member.
     
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  19. mrNILEpat

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    I am a vegetarian because of animal cruelty and i believe every living being should deserve the right to live and prosper from point of birth. i wouldnt exactly say you cant be for animal rights if you eat meat. some people do have health problems that may require them the nutrients in meat. and i really dont think we can convert the whole world to be vegan. :/ but we can stop the continuous slaughter and unnecessary torture of animals in factory farms and lab testing. because really, it is unnecessary to do these things to animals when we have all these other food options in our lives.(vegetarian patties and veggie products) but people still give their money to the people who torture animals for profit. what i dont get is how those people sleep at night, who can proudly say they work in the business of torturing animals for profit.
     
  20. gringofred

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    if you eat meat you support this nasty killing machine .i meant killing is always cruel, imagine you pet cow to death ,before you eated
     
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