The Exploited & Nazis: They Really Are Friends!

Again I thank you for responding and I have respect and understanding for your statements, however Wattie is the one that's really in question here, and if he came on here and tried to excuse himself I simply wouldn't believe him. I happen to know firsthand that he is still heavily using meth and to me that just lets me know that he isn't paying much attention to anything else other than himself though as a punk I won't condemn him for his drug problems. I don't expect the rest of the band to be able to do much about it but please don't think that because you are committed to peace love and punk his actions don't reflect on you because obviously they do. Maybe the band should re-double its efforts and really get involved in turning perception around 'cuz I gotta tell you, many of us whether we were fans of the music or not, have totally lost respect for The Exploited as a unit.

 

Hello there, I´m Ottar, the singer from Haggis. This boring forum was brought to my attention, and i have to say...it really is boring! All these lies presented as facts are old as merry fuck, it´s been debated far and wide for decades and the correct answer has always been, and still is: The Exploited are not Nazis and neither are Haggis. Speaking only for myself and Haggis, we have poor taste in humor that is the only thing we are guilty of, that and enjoying to provoke retarded canadians with no sense of humor, irony or common sense. Do i have to post loads of pictures with me and my gay [grossly inapproriate racial slur] friends in order to convince some dirty fucks i dont know? I use these words because i know they provoke you, not because i have any political agenda. We´re all fed up having to disclaim this and that every time some internet hero finds an old picture of us having fun zieg heiling and acting like utter bafoons. You dont need a college degree to understand that we´re mocking the whole nazi scene and wouldnt take part in such a moronic scene if it were to save our very lives. Other bands Haggis have toured with include: The Toy Dolls, Skatalites (you know the neo nazi group from Jamaica!) Cock Sparrer, Vice Squad, Anti Nowhere League, Discharge (biggest nazi band in the world ey?), Cockney Rejects, GBH, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Motorhead (oh my god he wears a iron cross!), Kvelertak, Purified In Blood and loads more. Neither whom are labeled nazi or racist, you dorks are the fucking racists here! As my my gay [same as above] lover says:"Sometimes these extreme leftwingers cant see the forrest for trees"...whatever the fuck that means? Good night each side.

 

What are you? 12 year old?

Do you have a clue about the word you're using? The "n-word" is part of American racial history and to a lesser extent to the other countries involved in the slave trade. It is, by essence, a derogatory, heavily charged term and you use it as if you were whistling to a tune in the pub with the lads! I don't feel "provoked", I just feel you are a wanker.

 

I can live with being labeled "Wanker" you have my blessings

 

Here´s a picture of me conspiring with fellow nazis where the next Pearl Harbour should take place....Yes i know they are Chinese, it´s just me trying to be funny:
http://www.myspace.com/haggisofficial/p ... 2023203%7D

 

Is everyone into chopper's a nazi? Do I know every single fuckin' racist band all over the world? If not, how can I assume that a band as so much time on their own they google everyband in every country? Do you have actually that much time on your own? What is that, a witch hunt? You are attacking fuking good people with the true punk attitude and values. Exploited also played in the same fest as Korn also in Quebec, it doesn't mean anything you poor morons. They didn't made up the fest neither there nor in Quebec city. A bunch of people comes by and have a talk, therefore they are nazi? Bitches, please...

Oh by the way, Irish Rob, you had you pic taken with my son, you didn't ask for his fuckin' degree nor political beliefs nor anything, shame on you....

 

oh another thing... re. the ''sexist'' pic... Isn't that discrimination against female enjoyin' sm? If there were dominating you wouldn't have any problem with that but because they submitting?

 

This is getting annoying...

If truly you believe that the Exploited stand for real punk values and attitude, I think you might have picked the wrong board. I don't think they're nazi, I don't care, what I do see is that they would play anywhere for money with any band and if that entails having Brazilian WP skins as bouncers, well so be it, punk's not dead!

And no, this is a sexist picture. Men dominating women in such an overt fashion is not a celebration of liberated sex (be it SM or whatnot), it is a male fantasy, for a frustrated male audience who likes to see women as being available to their desires.

:/

 

..said the person with beckham in underwear as an avatar...
Obviously he is no sexsymbol at all. You HAVE to be liberated to assume the fact that you love being dominated sexually, it has absolutely nothing to do with everyday situation.

As for the true value, you probably discovered punk with Green day and ''evoluated'' - so you think. Annoyin'? I'll tell you what is annoying: People bullshiting on ''perhaps'' and ''maybes'' over the internet without actually knowing what the fuck they are talking about.

 

Lord Beckham is a grown man who loves showing the world his amazing anatomy and I shall not tolerate any criticism about his underwear.

More seriously, you seem to imply that women being pictured as dominated sex-object is a sign of liberation. If people do this in their sexual lives, it is no one's business. But using masochistic images in order to promote a oi band hardly equates sexual liberation and only reflects male fantasies.

It's a good thing I "evoluated" then, right? But you clearly haven't. The Exploited were cartoon punk-rockers with little actual lyrical context, they had some catchy songs, a couple of decent enough lyrics but that's really about it for me. Why are you so angry? Have mean people been criticizing your favourite band? C'mon, take a deep breath, relax, take a walk, play some decent DIY punk music. But I don't want to read that patronizing tone of yours again, that's not the spirit "fuck_off" (seriously, you mock my amazing avatar and you chose this as your nickname, how very mature of you...).

 

this is hilairious we had what as bouncers in brazil.i dont even know what the fuck youre on about. yeah we have been to brazil and played there but we certainly dont have a clue as to who does what at the gigs,seriously you guys need to get out in the real world and see life and see what its like for a touring band and actually know what the fuck youre talking about!
\m/

 

I read this in a fanzine in Spanish. It was about a boycott that Brazilian anarchopunks had organized because there were Brazilian boneheads working as bouncers at some of your shows. I don't remember what is the name of the zine to be honest, but I seem to remember it was done in the 90's. However, the fact that you don't even know who organizes what, who does what, who you are playing with and who you are playing to, sums it up for me. I don't mean to offend you, but that is so far from DIY punk that it really is just rock'n'roll now and, well, it is pretty sad. You sound like a decent bloke and I don't want to sound like a mean bastard but that is what I think.

I get out in the "real world" more than enough, thank you very much. No need to be condescending. What is it with this argument that comes over and over again? Is "the real world" an Exploited tour? Seriously? To me, life is unemployment, being skint all the time, trying to get to a couple of decent DIY punk shows in the month, not drinking too much, trying to pay the rent on time, spending as little as possible on food and so on. Just because one happens to post on the internet doesn't mean he or she has no life and lives at mom and dad's completely cut off from the daily grind.

 

Enough of the bullshit, nobody here said The Exploited are Nazi's, what was said is that Wattie and some members of the band past and present don't really seem to give a fuck who they hang with... case in point above an old ass picture which the band acknowledged long ago on their my-space page..the reason all of this old shit reared its head again was specifically because the band decided that they would post an anti-racist message which in my eyes was a good thing, but many other people decided it was hypocrisy pure and simple. If you want to have a civil discussion about all of this then you are welcome here to discuss it as have been Irish Rob etc. but if you just want to come here and start condescending forum members and speaking to them as if to children then I suggest you move on this isn't the place for you.

 

Ok I came here because you! are putting up stuff about us! as have others who have never met us. you say civil discussion here’s a quote from one of your other pages ( this is punkmarr 77 ) "Wattie is a fuckin' Mexican hating, Packie baiting, homophobic swastika tattoo wearing, white power fence riding, piece of shit....and if you refuse to see it because you idolize this douche bag " not very civil is it. How would you feel if people who don’t know you started spreading rumours about you on the net? wouldnt you want to set the record straight, I wasn’t meaning to be condescending but have to laugh if you get upset at condescending when you and other people are posting links ,links of other links and pure hear say i might add! but cry when someone upsets you, also I notice you use the word paki a lot in other pages, just to let you know that in Britain that’s a very offensive word.as to crusty beckham i know all about being on the dole mate was on it for 19 years. The exploited didn’t start of playing massive gigs mate I’ve done my fair share of playing the pubs squats and tiny clubs, sleeping in vans in car parks etc. and I just scrape by playing in the band I live in a wee council flat with my wife and dogs and im far from rich. probably have more in common with you guys than you think, if you actually took the time to meet us and talk instead of spreading shite on the net ,you might be surprised \m/
heres a pic from brazil with marky ramone,gordo from ratos de parao and derrick green from sepultura. none of who are nazis but then again we didnt ask them if they were
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=11 ... s:113,i:77

 

I acknowledge that I was really pissed off at the band a couple years ago when I found out there had been a somewhat violent incident at a show here in San Diego involving my deceased best friend and then singer of the Mexican punk band Solucion Mortal, but since then I spoke to Luis the bass player that was, and is, in the band at the time and he said the whole thing never happened... which is why I have been more than civil with you now and I think you should be here to defend yourself without people attacking you, that comment you quoted wasn't directed at you by the way but at the bloke from Haggis that decided "we're all just a bunch of kids that probably found punk through green day" I have no problem with you Wullie, your brothers behavior is something else entirely and I understand it's in your nature to defend him...

 

Is this supposed to illustrate how not racist Haggis is?

 

I was just about to post that

 

Hello again.

The eagle we use for our logo is taken from the Roman empire (Germans borrowed it as they did with the swaztika) and we´ve placed the norwegian crown on top of it, we do this to provoke, it´s punkrock! Same goes for me wearing the RAC t-shirt, in the next video i wear a Trojan t-shirt, go figure. As for all the Norwegian flags, what can i say, we live in a great country and want to show it. Other countries i really like include Brazil, Colombia (where i lived for over a year back in the nineties) and China where we toured for 16 days meeting tons of funny zipperheads whom enjoyed our company and vice-verca. I use this racial slurr as you put it trying to be funny, it´s my sense of humor. If you folks find it offensive, then in a way i have won..i just didnt think there was people stupid enough to take my crap so seriously. We´ve done this for over fifteen years now, toured the world, slept in Mexican squats, played in Germany and hung out at Tommy House and then the next day played in a dodgy venue called Menfiz and then next week flewn over to Chile for a three date tour. Haggis plays punkrock with a twist, we are very politically uncorrect and we play and hang out with whatever people having whatever color, creed or social status. WE DONT CARE! You can go roaming the internet looking for pictures that you feel incriminates us until you drop dead on yer humorless ass for all we care, it doesnt change a thing. Come September you´ll find me on tour doing security for Norwegian Black Metal band Gorgoroth (google them, i´ll bet you find loads of shite to missunderstand and re-post here) taking me to Brazil, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina the whole of South America to say the least....i mean why the fuck would a neo-nazi-racist-thug wanna go there?! I´m re-posting my first post, Haggis is neither racist or neo nazi. As for the link between us and The Exploited, they have never denied neither being friends or having tours with us. They have denied doing so with nazi or racist bands, Haggis is neither. So no lies there mate.

Old post again:
Hello there, I´m Ottar, the singer from Haggis. This boring forum was brought to my attention, and i have to say...it really is boring! All these lies presented as facts are old as merry fuck, it´s been debated far and wide for decades and the correct answer has always been, and still is: The Exploited are not Nazis and neither are Haggis. Speaking only for myself and Haggis, we have poor taste in humor that is the only thing we are guilty of, that and enjoying to provoke retarded canadians with no sense of humor, irony or common sense. Do i have to post loads of pictures with me and my gay [grossly inapproriate racial slur] friends in order to convince some dirty fucks i dont know? I use these words because i know they provoke you, not because i have any political agenda. We´re all fed up having to disclaim this and that every time some internet hero finds an old picture of us having fun zieg heiling and acting like utter bafoons. You dont need a college degree to understand that we´re mocking the whole nazi scene and wouldnt take part in such a moronic scene if it were to save our very lives. Other bands Haggis have toured with include: The Toy Dolls, Skatalites (you know the neo nazi group from Jamaica!) Cock Sparrer, Vice Squad, Anti Nowhere League, Discharge (biggest nazi band in the world ey?), Cockney Rejects, GBH, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Motorhead (oh my god he wears a iron cross!), Kvelertak, Purified In Blood and loads more. Neither whom are labeled nazi or racist, you dorks are the fucking racists here! As my my gay [same as above] lover says:"Sometimes these extreme leftwingers cant see the forrest for trees"...whatever the fuck that means? Good night each side.

 

Here is a link to Haggis covering the famous nazi Billy Bragg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvntpqlc24
Plenty of pictures there for you to drool upon, including me with chinese, black people, wattie (omg!), Irish Rob (oh my freckkin god!), a dog, some kids, a tattooed senior (did she survive the holocaust?) etc enjoy!