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Photos I've taken outside an abortion clinic

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Becomingsoil, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. Canis latrans

    Canis latrans Active Member Forum Member


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    First world dumpster is not the world.
     
  2. silasraven

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    ha all you saw was dumpster. there is food we can give away instead of throwing it away. not just one dumpster but many others and im sure you'll find any place to go eating out will have food ready to be thrown so food is there here in this country we can feed the world off of what we throw out every night. im talking every state with every city with every food establishment handing out food to whom ever will be able to fed allot of hungry people
     
  3. Canis latrans

    Canis latrans Active Member Forum Member


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    So your solution to the world food shortage is to feed 3rd worlders stale nachos and popcorn? Sounds like an extremely nutritious diet. There are too many people on this planet. You don't realize it because you live in a first world nation that is so decadently well off that you can get food from the trash bins.
     
  4. Bentheanarchist

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    Fuck you silasraven! Get off of this site you pro-lifer. This place isn't for you. Birth control is good.
     
  5. fubarista

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    Of course we have the food. Even in African countries where millions starved to death during famines, there was always plenty of food. Much of it was exported for cash, but the local markets were overflowing with food that nobody could afford to buy.

    The problem isn't resources, it is expropriating those resources from the patriarchal capitalist imperialist mass murderers who stole them.

    And until that problem is solved, it doesn't matter how much food there is, people will continue to starve. Nobody who wants a starving women in a refugee camp to have a baby and watch that baby starve to death as she starves to death herself, is pro-life. They're pro-starvation, pro-suffering, pro-torture, pro-murder, pro-genocide, pro-patriarchal capitalist imperialism, but not pro-life.

    Some freegans have lived for decades without buying food, just dumpster diving for the excess that is thrown away and sharing it with others because there is always too much. But some stores lock their dumpsters, will call the cops, or even pour bleach on perfectly good food to make it inedible.

    The "right to life" without the right to the basic necessities of life, is really the right to suffering and death.

    It makes a difference whether a baby is born into an atmosphere that can support human life, or born into a tank of toxic chemicals that will poison and suffocate it immediately. Right now, capitalism has turned the entire planet into that tank of toxic chemicals. Scientists have detected dioxin and other carcinogens at the north and south poles, on the tops of the world's highest mountains, and in the hearts of the world's deepest jungles. It's in the mothers' breast milk of humans and polar bears.

    But overpopulation itself isn't the problem. As a nonviable species, we've had cyclical die-offs after overpopulation peaks and both the planet and the human species survived because even billions of human corpses are biodegradable. Man-made chemical carcinogens and radioactive wastes are not. It will take millions of years to make this planet habitable again.

    As for the potential savior, the woman who discovered and gave the world nuclear fission, Dr. Prof. Lise Meitner, was a much greater genius than Einstein. Yet when she later asked for funds to research ways to safely dispose of nuclear wastes, they were denied and Meitner died poor and almost unknown. All the research money went for weapons. Although Meitner had doctorates in both mathematics and physics, and was one of only a dozen or so people who understood Einstein's theories at the time, the Nobel Prize for fission went to Otto Hahn, a German war criminal who had never studied either math or physics at all and couldn't possibly have made such a discovery. So if there is another savior around, a genius even greater than Meitner, she is probably in some third or fourth world country, was never allowed to go to school and cannot read or write, and her brother sold her into a brothel for $20 when she was 12 years old, where she is currently servicing dozens of morons a day and dying of AIDS. I happen to believe that is why Meitner gave the world a weapon it could not control, because the lust for power was fascism's only Achilles heel. Meitner was smuggled out of Nazi Germany before she could be thrown into Ravensbruck, used to sexually service the SS, and then turned into a lampshade and a bar of soap, but it was a very close call and she wasn't stupid enough to think that fascists could be reasoned with.
     
  6. silasraven

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    dude i still dont understand how you focus on one area, o shit its the dumpster, no wait its the nachos im still waiting on you to bitch about the food that was good untill it went into the walmart compactor, o and i did have the very regret mind while working there of" i cant believe im working for such a fucked up megachain" o and ben this is a place for anyone who is outcasted supposed to be a community i see no unity what so ever nor do i see tolerance for anything of difference of views ben your no better then those who depise you for believing how you believe. what a hypocrite.
     
  7. fubarista

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    No, this isn't "a place for anyone who is outcasted," it is an anarcho-punk forum. Ben has that figured out, you do not.
     
  8. silasraven

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    no i have. but just because i phrased it a little different doesnt make it un-true anarch-punk is outcasted no matter in what phrase you use it. someone will still hate us and treat us with intolerant shit. its just im catching some because i have a belief of sorts.
     
  9. slother

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    You said you believe in god which makes you not an anarchist so why are you here? This isn't the outcast-punk forum.
     
  10. silasraven

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    wow i believe in god therefor im not what you see as anarchist. one this is true anarchist is nothing strict to one definition or another. there is no set terms no way of following. yes we all have common and uncommon beliefs. thats how people are. i knew id catch this from someone at one point. i still believe in a lack of government abolishment of any and all man made laws and governments. check it for yourself my beliefs though different in some aspects are some what like yours. funny thing is the whole time ive been here ive not once sat here and put my self above any of you and not once have said you are wrong for not believing like i do. i simply say my belief in god is mine and only mine. you spew your hate because of what has happened to you in the past due to other christians. remember i never once treated any of you like thee others have and i wont. for all i know theres probly a budist satanist self worshipper around here somewhere. AND! who cares RELIGION is crap. its what caused war and death in the first place. one thing i wont fight for amoung other things. ha unity? where i see non just a buck of pissed off people who if we all got togeather and kept our mouths shut you wouldnt be able to tell us apart, but only by our actions. with all this pressumtion and stereo typing your becoming more and more of a mold set up by someone else. decide for yourself if a INDIVIDUAL is good bad tolerant or not.i tell you right now i for one dont care what your lack of faith is or if you think your god or if you believe by thinking hard enough you can walk threw a wall( i do)
     
  11. punkmar77

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    Ok I'm going to ask everyone involved in this thread to take a breath and take a step back, silasraven is welcome here no matter if he believes in magical demi gods or not. Group think and attacking him does nobody any good. In case you people have forgotten one of our old moderators Anxiety believed in god and was also anarchist...you cannot expect people to learn things at your pace, they will learn things at their own pace.

    at silasraven: Now that you understand that a majority of forum members are atheist and very much pro choice please keep those right leaning tendencies to yourself if possible...remember to connect with people here on things you might have in common as opposed to raising polemics that might come across as trolling.

    Thank you <3
     
  12. silasraven

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    fair enough, that is the only "right wing" ideal i have.
     
  13. butcher

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    Oh dear...
    a couple of things-

    @mymarkx:
    Getting kicked off Jensen's forum was likely for the best. Talking to leninoid primmos sounds about as fun as colonic irrigation.

    Let's be more specific about what yr saying: there are far too many poor people on this planet. Perhaps we should get rid of some of them? :ecouteurs:

    Yes and no.
    Whether or not people have imaginary friends doesn't really concern me, and I'd agree calling silasraven a fuckwit isn't particularly useful.
    However, this thread isn't about god, its about people having access to abortions. That people lack control over their lives because of the 'rights' of non-persons (a policy ironically called 'pro-life') is fucking stupid, this should be stated stridently and often.

    When anarchism means 'whatever you want', it means nothing.
     
  14. Canis latrans

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    Hey thanks for putting words in my mouth. If I wanted to say, "Get rid of all the poor/smudgy/not mypeople people" I would have said exactly that. How is bringing up that the world has too many people to be sustainable me stating we should start killing people off? Granted a widescale culling of humanity would bring the population down, but that is inhuman and evil. On the other hand encouraging negative population growth, of which contraceptives and abortion would be a part of, would not be either, unless it because mandated, at which point it does. In other words, short of killing off a few billion people, which would a tragedy, encouraging people to reproduce less and not penalizing or stigmatizing the use of contraceptives and abortion as a means to that end is the only viable and humane course of action.
     
  15. butcher

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    So encourage the poor to wear condoms then?
    Besides, yr eagerness to blame babies for the problems of capital is commendable.
     
  16. Canis latrans

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    First off, yes encourage people to use condoms. I thought I said that when I said," encouraging negative population growth, of which contraceptives and abortion would be a part of".


    Second off, what are you saying?
     
  17. butcher

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    I'm saying poverty is, like, imposed, and production is geared towards accumulating capital not satisfying the needs of people (although they do occasionally correlate). That there is widespread hunger and poverty has fuck all to do with there being 'too many people', instead it has everything to do with social relations.
     
  18. fubarista

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    Alright. Gotta have more antisocial relations.
     
  19. Ivanovich

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    Took some time for this one to kick off. Ok, I stated my position before, I am 'pro-life', as you put it, and also about as athiest as you can get. I am vegan, I don't even rob bees of their honey, and I feel a tinge of guilt killing and eating lettuce. What you call a bunch of cells, which is what every living thing is, is quite definitly alive, and has full compliment of unique dna, which makes it an individual. Killing that which happens to be in your way is murder, in my book.

    But, I can understand why people do it. It's society that is fucked up. Reproducing is crucial for any living organism, it should bring joy. However, the human race has managed to fuck that up, with economic pressure, and a host of other bullshit. Having a child should not be a financial burden, children are the future, being a mother is a full time job, they should get paid for it. Probably the most important job there is. The whole system is totally fucked up, beyond belief.

    Yeah, it's an important one, though seems you got be rich to pass on your genes, and you think pro-choice gives you freedom. You been duped.

    If you don't want someone living in your body for nine months, don't fucking put them there, it aint rocket science.

    Over population and world food shortage, right, I'm sure that's what's foremost in the mind of every woman that aborts.

    Not looking for a fight, just speaking out for those without a voice.
     
  20. butcher

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    lulz.
     
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