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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by sushil_yadav, Jan 28, 2011.

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  1. butcher

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    fixed. don't attribute my super rad quote to someone else!
     
  2. butcher

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    well actually...
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXYjgHC_Ycw&feature=share[/video]
     
  3. sushil_yadav

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    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that destroy environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.

    Human work must be primarily limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.
     
  4. Inna Ruts

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    sounds as romantic as living in a forced labour camp... and btw:
    most of this planet workers are still limited to sweat for food, clothing and shelter - maybe a cheap transistor radio too at least - nothing we should think about?
     
  5. sushil_yadav

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    Human societies have existed on earth for Hundreds of Thousands of years ........Industrial consumer goods have existed for only about 100 years which comes to almost Zero percent of Total Human Existence on earth.

    Food, clothing & shelter are necessary .......not Industrial consumer goods.

    Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth without Industrial consumer goods.

    Industrial Society has destroyed Necessary Things [Animals, Trees, Air, water & Land] for making Unnecessary Things [Consumer Goods].


    Art, Culture & Entertainment could be found in every non-industrial society. In fact real Art, Culture, Entertainment & Sports only existed in non-industrial societies.

    In Industrial Society everything becomes destructive...... even Art, Culture, Entertainment & Sports. Industrial Society has built millions of buildings for these activities which has killed millions of Trees and millions of acres of fertile soil. Industrial Society has produced millions of tonnes of equipment for these activities which has led to killing of animals, trees, air, water & land.....directly or indirectly.
     
  6. butcher

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    What's the difference? Bread and Ferraris are both commodities.

    what bullshit.

    Starve yrself for full anarkeyz.
     
  7. LaForce

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    This is so wierd... apart from all the labour/capital issues to do with industrial manufacturing, the only real problem with it is environmental sustainability. This can be adressed by abolishing planned obsolescense and utilising renewable energy and resources. Plastic (or plastic like materials) can be made from plant materials, and metallic components can be recycled.

    Rahdy rahdy rah.

    Real art? Real culture?

    Come and hang with some kids in Sydney (or melbourne, or brissie or fucking plenty of other places on the planet), and see us. We make our own real art and culture daily. We build community and culture and art flows through and out of that. Just because you haven't taken the intiative to produce your own art or culture, or are too pessimistic to think it can be done, don't shit on other people who are doing their own awesome shit.

    The great thing is we don't give a fuck if you think our art is shit. It is. All art is shit. Shit shit shit. Suck on my shit hippie. Me and my crew suck on each others shit(art) heaps and we are all the less shittier for it.

    Bam!

    Edited because I can't spell shit for shit
     
  8. Inna Ruts

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    time to be nice a little:
    mr. sushil yadav seems to come from india, has some (academical?!) education and a web site "cultural change" in the internets - so it's industrial consumers goods this, industrial consumers goods that... okay, it's weird and quite a bit limited and maybe just lacking the fresh air at places off his usual paths - a little knowledge about punk or the a-philosophy won't hurt too - so let's be civil and keep patience...
     
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    If our intelligence and thinking is the root of destroying the environment what do you think we should do? Should we all start huffing glue to dumb ourselves down? I agree that Industrialization has been hurting the environment but with more research who knows if someone could find a way to reverse some of the damage. Maybe I read too much science fiction. We could also find alternative ways to manufacture things in ways that don't hurt the environment. Oh yeah and comparing books to the internet and tv is stretch to me. It takes a lot longer to read something than it does to watch tv/movies. I do enjoy camping away from civilization, but I don't think I could do it permenantly
     
  10. sushil_yadav

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    Industrial Society is a lunatic society that is trying to save environment not by stopping Industrial Activity but by changing the technology.

    Bring this technology, Bring that technology..........Bring this technology, Bring that technology.

    A man is shooting someone with a gun........Some people are trying to save the victim.......They plead with the man asking him to save the victim by stopping the shooting.

    The man says.....Don't worry......I will save him by changing technology......He replaces the old gun with a new one ........And continues to shoot.

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    Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity........Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ......

    Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.

    Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.

    Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.

    Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality.......You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.

    Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years........It has been destroying environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    You cannot save a person after killing him.......You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.

    The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

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    There is only one cause of environmental destruction.......Industrialization.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.......The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food.

    An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment [compared to an Industrial Society of 7 billion]...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society of 7 billion has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after industrialization because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    A Hunter_Gatherer Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion.

    An Agrarian Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion.

    World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

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    For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

    This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

    Poison kills people.....it doesn't matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

    In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems......Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

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    Discussion cannot save environment........Money cannot save environment......Technology cannot save environment......Environmental Organizations cannot save environment.......Activism cannot save environment.

    Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

    Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ........They had no money.

    Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with modern technology........They had no modern technology......It was absence of modern technology that saved environment in pre-industrial societies........Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.

    Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or Activism........They had no environmental organizations.

    Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of years.......Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment during a million years of existence......Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of 10,000 years.

    There is only one way to save environment.......Destroy less......Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.

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    Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest terrorists on earth.......Millions of times bigger terrorists than Taliban and Al Qaeda.

    Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda

    No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire planet......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......It was Industrial Society.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans......It was Industrial Fishing.

    It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars.......It was Military Industrial Complex.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

    For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.......Animals destroyed environment for food......Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for food......Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

    Development is Destruction........Development is Destruction.

    "Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
    These are figures of "Ecocide".
    These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

    Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.

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    Environment has been destroyed by Cities.......Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers.........City People are doing extra work which has led to exponential "extra destruction of environment".......... Urban Dwellers are the destroyers of Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

    For millions of years "searching for food" / “producing food” were the primary activities of animal species, hunter_gatherer society and agrarian society.........and that is why they sustained for millions of years because they destroyed very little environment compared to Industrial Society.......For millions of years the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.

    In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for 100% of population and the remaining 50% living in cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of "thousands of consumer goods and services".

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population exists in this world.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is promoting Industrial Activity.

    Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

    Most of the people who do not produce food are engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    Most of the urban population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

    In America 90 - 95% of population is urban......In Europe 80 – 90% of population is urban......this is why consumerism is so rampant in US and West.

    World wide the percentage of urban population is about 50%.......If the entire world is made communist or socialist it is not going to stop/ reduce consumerism as long as the percentage of urban population remains the same.

    As long as Urban Population exists all Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand........ Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling Industry, Oil Refining Industry, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.....all these Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand.

    This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

    This planet cannot sustain Urban population.

    Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population......Environment has been destroyed primarily by population that does not produce food.

    This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.

    One profession means destruction of environment for one thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.

    Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

    Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it has destroyed environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter".

    The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research .....and lots of other work.

    Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.

    Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums.

    Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.

    Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.

    Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.

    Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.

    Food, clothing and shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.

    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.


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  11. punkmar77

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    And yet you are on a computer communicating to others on computers that require electric energy that have wasteful and toxic byproducts even in the manufacturing of said computers...you realize the hypocrisy of your statements yet again do you not?
     
  12. apples&onions

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    This is so completely absurd. Individuals like us did not put into effect telecommunications, the internet, govt. or any other aspect of industrial society. We are not complicit for the atrocities committed in the name of industrialism, cybernetics or modernity or even any rudimentary civilization. These systems are addicted to resources and massive lumps of individuals inhabit them and move them as they drag across the face of reality wreaking havoc. These systems are blind to the fact that they are killing themselves, but they will not cease their addictive self-destructive actions until they have devoured all life. It is near impossible to escape modernity the fact that we must exist within this shitstem does not make us complicit to the actions those direct perpetrators of atrocities, we do not have the power, no individual holds the power. The power is imbued in the death systems of the prevailing culture and the prevailing culture is a culture of death, addicted to converting life to death, reducing biodiversity which is the failsafe of life. Individuals no matter how affluent are reduced to mere interchangeable parts, and that is industrialism in a nut shell, a single phrase: interchangeable parts. The is no excuse for the current standard of living of the minority of humans on earth, Industrialism is inherently unsustainable as it takes more out of its environment then it puts back, modern techo industrial civilization can never be sustainable. Industrialism feeds off of the graves of countless dead souls and fuels itself with remains of our ancient grandmothers which it rips up from the bowels of the earth. Our standard of living exists at the expense of countless lives both human and non-human.


    But I really don't want to get into a whole argument about this shit right now.

    Suffice it to say that the excuses made for industrialism are sickening.
     
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    I'm not making any excuses, just pointing out the blindingly obvious problem with end-civers posting on the internet...all talk no action...I know many people that don't espouse such ridiculous notions in theory, they just do, and set the example to those that just preach..on the internet, on their computers, that are manufactured, by the very same industry they supposedly "denounce". Basically what I'm saying is shut your yaps and get to it...permaculture awaits your sweat, not your hot wind.
     
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    Did I ever claim that I am not a part of society that is destroying environment?????

    The title of my article is "Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment" and since I am a citizen of Industrial Society I get included automatically.

    Computers are being used because they are being manufactured by Industrial Society.

    Was anyone using computers in Hunter_Gatherer Society / Agrarian Society?????
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    Environment does'nt get saved if a few people live a simple life.....It does'nt get saved if a few thousand people live a simple life......It does'nt get saved if a few million people live a simple life.....It does'nt get saved even if a few billion people live a simple life [which is happening right now.....Out of 7 billion people roughly half, about 3.5 billion are already living a simple life in Asia, Africa and South America .......but this does'nt save the environment......because the rest 3.5 billion people all over the world are living a highly consumerist life which is enough to destroy all ecosystems.

    The entire world has to live a simple life. In animal kingdom all animals lived a simple life.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society all people lived a simple life......In Agrarian Society almost all people lived a simple life.


    In a non-industrial society simple living happens automatically....one does not have to make efforts to live a simple life. In a non-industrial society environment gets saved automatically....one does not have to make efforts to save environment.

    An Industrial Society produces thousands of consumer goods in addition to food, clothing and shelter.....therefore simple living by entire society is impossible.

    There is no industrial society which limits its activity to just food, clothing, shelter and does not produce consumer goods.

    If we compare the scale and magnitude of environmental destruction of the three human societies we have had on earth we will find :

    Hunter_Gatherer society was least destructive.......Agrarian Society was thousands of times more destructive.......Industrial Society is millions of times more destructive.

    Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods and Services must stop immediately.......It should not continue for even one more day......Industrial Activity must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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    It is you who needs to know about your hypocrisy.

    You show no concern for environment despite the fact that you owe your very existence to environment.

    In the absence of nature your grandfather wouldn't have existed.......In the absence of nature your father wouldn't have existed.......In the absence of nature you wouldn't have existed.

    Show some respect to nature / environment.



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    I was not referring to any excuses you made but mostly to the straight bullshit posted by Butcher and to formerly inna ruts' arrogantly civilized post.

    However FIR's post brings up an important issue: the fact that so many myriad ways of living on this earth have been devoured by the cultural leviathan and lost forever along with their vast amounts of ancient cultural wisdom. For the most part the issue is the simple fact that industrialism has drastically reduced the carrying capacity of the earth and that a massive population collapse is inevitable. It would be in the great interest of all life and our human descendants for this collapse to not include total ecological collapse. That is where we come in. First and foremost is the necessity to cultivate sustainable autonomous anti-authoritarian communities/rewilding, learn, learn, teach. And from there... insurrectionary tactics, holding perpetrators of atrocities accountable and directly removing their power to commit said atrocities in the name of profit, yeah easier said then done but this part must come out of sustainable community in my opinion. Because the prevailing culture is arrogant and blind the massive widespread violence committed by those institutions/corporations/nations that hold such great sway must be made to cease. Let me reiterate it is not about wether or not someone uses/owns a computer, as an anarchist you should already know that personal consumer choices don't change shit. It is not individuals who have ever used or required astronomical ungodly quantities of resources, it is the institution. It is these institutions that must be dismantled. The earth's livability is and will always be more important then any economic system.

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    First of all obvious dumbledorff states the obvious, secondly you have no idea what type of relationship I enjoy with nature or the environment so again I implore you to shut your yap, third I don't take kindly to strangers demanding anything from me in an authoritarian tone so kindly go fuck yourself, unless you are actively sabotaging the industrialized society in some manner other than by blowing hot wind on an internet forum or blog then you are in no position to proselytize.
     
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    Actually it would be best to keep critique and any illegal actions as separate as possible.
     
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    There are many forms of sabotage that are not illegal.....
     
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    and beyond sabotage, there are many, many things that need to be done that have less to do withe taking a direct offensive against civilization's systems of domination.
     
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    And that's all fine and dandy but this is an anarchist forum, so either be a part of the problem (in which case you shouldn't preach to people) or be a part of the solution. If you have just given up completely and become another misanthropist then you are in the wrong place...not you specifically but in general.
     
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