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Hakim Bey - T.A.Z

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by nodz, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. nodz

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    I have just finished reading Hakim Bey's T.A.Z (with all the other A.O.A communiques prior to it)

    Has anyone else read it?
    Does anyone else have an opinion on it?

    I find that I did struggle with some of the concepts and found that occasionally it appears to degrade into a number of off-topic ramblings.

    I find that there are also a number of other topics that make sense and he appears to be able to comminicate quite well.

    Does anyone know, if someone has completed an in-depth review of the topics that appear in the book?
     

  2. butcher

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    Hakim Bey advocates pedophilia, enough said?
     
  3. ungovernable

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    This is a must read, best writting by Hakim Bey. i'm not a fan of his other writtings, too much primitivist and anti-civilization for me.

    Butcher, you're wrong, Hakim Bey advocates pederasty, this is very different from pedophilia.
     
  4. butcher

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    libcom.org/library/leaving-out-ugly-part-hakim-bey

    Moreover,
     
  5. butcher

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    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-CTqcsR1TM&feature=related[/video]
     
  6. KAAOS-82

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    Hakim Bey is a moron...
     
  7. nodz

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    Bookchin in his book Social Anarchism or Lifestyle Anarchism criticises Hakim Bey and T.A.Z in a big way.
     
  8. butcher

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    lol he sure does. 'The Bey' as he refers to him. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
     
  9. dwtcos

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    i've always really liked his pseudonym. and i've been meaning to look into his books. but darnit if that liking little boys thing doesn't bother me.
     
  10. vAsSiLy77

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    His pseudonym means "wise man" and is a title in Sufism, one of the branches of Islam, the Bey pretends to be a confessing sufi, seeking the mystical unity with Allah. "Sacred" pederasty is claimed by some writers to be part of the Sufi tradition - I don't know enough about it, but Peter Lamborn Wilson (the Bey) advocates pedophilia, it's my favorite butchers link, but the writer there gives the magazines which feature the Beys gruesome side.
    libcom.org/library/leaving-out-ugly-part-hakim-bey

    By chance I found another cheesy aspect, the Bey wrote about Robert Anton Wilson ("Illuminatus"), connecting Anarchism with the weird NWO-conspiracy bullshit, I was reading "Illuminatus" in the early 80's when it was nothing more than post-hippie-entertainment, but in the time of "global/(pathetic) parasite" and lots of halfwits looking for illumination? The Bey doesn't seem to think twice about it...
    http://underminedeology.blogspot.com/20 ... chive.html

    Bookchins valuation of the Bey is alright with me, we need social activists to get the circle A neat and round, instead of weekend radicals dancing in a circle and howling at the moon... for illumination?
     
  11. butcher

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    oh dear
     
  12. Bentheanarchist

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    Hakim Bey is a creeper
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    Hakim Bey in the flesh:
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  13. vAsSiLy77

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    just a dirty old man doing noises for the weekend rebels doing pop-business.
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  14. Bentheanarchist

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    Hakim Bey uses Anarchism as an excuse to molest boys. He is not a anarchist. He is a conter-revolutionary who will lure children into his car with candy and molest them.
     
  15. @narcho-Skinhooligan

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    Haha! I agree with my man Bentheanarchist. Bey has that creepy ass pederast thing going now. Some of T.A.Z. I found of interest but alot of stuff he does seem to go off on ramblings about & talk over people's heads when he could just speak more plainly. His whole NAMBLA boy lovers thing is way too much. I believe to each their own as far as sexuality goes, but he wants to play ball with no grass on the field... I'm gonna call a Serious Foul on that one. You're Red Carded Bey. Really discredits anything of value he might have to say.
    He might be an interesting dude to chat with over a pint or two. Hell I will have a pint with anyone, if they are buying! & To share some good ass hash with, but I sure as hell WOULDN'T let that motherfucker babysitter my nephew. He would catch a boot in the balls, I'd throw him a one man boot party! :ecouteurs:
    Hell even old Walt Jabsco :skinhead: would get all Rude Boy on him!
     
  16. Inna Ruts

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    pete wilson has connections with NAMBLA?
    if there is any reliable/trustworthy source about it, i would like to learn of it - not that i accept any of wilsons weird ideas and commercial hipster hypes, over here some people still believe NAMBLA to be part of the lesbian/gay movement, so a possible connection with weirdo wilson would come just too handy to miss it.

    about his political writings i almost completely agree with murray bookchins "social anarchism vs...." - since the early nineties too many attention-hungry sidekicks tried to jump the anarcho-train and achieved nothing than creating their pathetic little sects and cults amongt the middle class hipsters looking for a weekend entertainment. if you try to relate all these temporary somethings with at least a little bit of real life activism and the resulting experience from it - it's nothing more than entertaining bullshit covered in a fireworks of sheer rhetorics and hip meta-swampthinx, drowning out the seriousness of political struggle and ending up in bored apathy.
     
  17. @narcho-Skinhooligan

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    I understand from what I looked at on online that the guy wrote shit for NAMBLA, some weird zine they had or some shit. Flowery boy lover poetry like some of the stuff/shit in T.A.Z. I think that is funny that in Europe NAMBLA is kinda considered part of the wider Queer LGBT Liberation Movement cuz in the States the movement is quick to dis them here. I like Art & all but you're right his stuff seems to cater to bored artist hipster types who are looking for a quick thrill. Who think that it is cool to talk radical politics with the Upper Crusties who are their art patrons. Who really don't give a shit as long as they can hang their crappy overpriced worthless & boring "Avant-garde" art on their walls.... FUCK ART HIPSTERS & FUCK THE UPPER CRUST.
     
  18. Bentheanarchist

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    barelegged on his bicycle in the park he rides beneath
    a children's fountain droplets catch his hair which
    the afternoon makes somewhat bronze, beaded with molten dew
    --the sunset over Jersey like an industrial krakatoa:
    Newark Gold, Secaucus Red, East Orange.
    The button on his blazer: Anarchist Bicyclists
    he's in the bathtub, I see
    him through a crack in the door playing with himself, he calls me in, shows me
    underwater push-ups and sit-ups, except for his gallic buttocks his skin is gilt as the air over the Hudson. The touch of his wet, bath-wrinkled fingers in my hand... but then...
    one of his parents clumps down the hall... I suppose to make sure neither of us is raping the other...
    [chorus of groans] Ohhh! for a
    Buster-Keaton-bomb all spherical & black as coaldust with sweet sparkling with sweet sparkling fuse a mindbomb to
    Drop on the Idea of the Family! O for a libertarian isle of runaways! O goodnight
    Moon, I am lost, actually lost without him
    But I didn't want this to be
    Just another poem about hopeless love. Pretend it's a manifesto instead. Down with School! Boy Rule OK! In the land of dreams
    No governance exists
    But that of anarchs and kings, for dreamers have not yet learned to vote or think past the unfurling of the moment. He touches my cheek, runs delicate fingers through the hairs on my arm.
    My liege shatters all Law for a triple kiss.
    --Hakim Bey
     
  20. Bentheanarchist

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    Hakim Bey is a sicko!
     
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