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Guns and anarchist society

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by ungovernable, May 16, 2010.

  1. Ivanovich

    Ivanovich Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    World War II, 50 million dead, and lots of shots fired, but hang on... I just heard every armed force in the world are planning to withdraw all fire arms and arm the troops with knives, and are training pilots to fly planes into buildings, rather than drop bombs on them, cos it is, obviously, it is far more efficient, and effective, to use those methods to kill, rather than use the tools that were specifically designed for the purpose, though I think it's really due to the world shortage of ear muffs.
     
  2. Ivanovich

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    Given, A:

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    We can conclude that the savage apes that kill are all mentally ill, and that there are, in fact, no sane people.

    Or maybe you just talking bullshit? I think maybe you are a little confused, and watch far too much TV, because the plan is to make you think that everyone is a potential nutter, that's why you need that gun so much, to protect you from the army of killers that only exists in your imagination. Trust me, am imaginary gun will work just as well.
     
  3. butcher

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    Fucking thank you!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    yr being counter-intuitive. it is not a pissing contest, who's read more or whatever, but for bgrass to continually represent themselves as somewhat of an expert on the topic of 'guns and an anarchist society', then yes I expect bgrass to have a least some functioning understand of anarchist politics. Moreover, i care not where one learns their political perspectives, whether they have a masters in sociology or are functionally illiterate; nor would i lampoon anyone for what i may see as silly representations of anarchist politics if said person was open to different ideas and willing to engage in a critical discussion on the topic.

    What gives me the shits is willful ignorance. Bgrass notes "I've never read really much of anything by any anarchist/political writers and I don't feel the need.", an attitude that openly acknowledges a hostility towards engaging in a critical discussion on the pros or cons of anarchist politics, and in turn, anarchist attitudes to guns.
     
  4. Anxiety69

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    wow, you carry a gun on you? at all times? you sound like a macho idiot who is compensating for something... we all know what they say about those who carry guns and the siaze of certain parts of their bodies...

    i hope it goes off on you, and no innocent people get hurt. You think you are a gangsta or something?
     
  5. punkmar77

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    don't you know? that's how all the cool kids do it.........
     
  6. ghoul

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    You obviously have no idea how firearms work. Unless you keep a round chambered and the safety off It cannot just "go off".

    Do I think I am a gansta? No. I am compensating for something? Again no. Do I watch too much TV. No, I don't even own one.

    So why do I carry a gun? Here's the reason. After watching a friend get his throat slit over 5 dollars I promised myself I will never stand by helplessly and let that happen again. Am I crazy to never want to see someone on the ground bleeding again? Am I crazy to never want to see someone with the amount of brain damage he now has from blood loss again? I am not obsessed with defense, just aware. I am aware that things like that can and do happen. I am also aware that these kind of things are actually pretty rare. But I am also aware that when they do happen only you and you alone can do anything about your own safety. By the time the cops show up it is already too late.
     
  7. ungovernable

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    blah blah blah

    i can tell you a lot of stories i seen too, and trust me my situation is far more dangerous than yours. So guess what i did ? Did i get a gun ? An ak-47 ? Grenades ? Flame thrower ? No. I got cayenne pepper for grizzly. And trust me it's fucking efficient. You can also get a tazer or something. Guns aren't a necessity, stop your NRA gun nut speech.
     
  8. bgrass

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    So why do have the authority over him to determine what is necessary for him to defend himself and his loved ones? What else are you going to determine is necessary or unnecessary in peoples lives to control how they live? Are going to control peoples diets? What medicine that can take or have to take? How many hours a day they have to exercise? Were they can travel? Who they can talk to? What books they can read? What they can say? Where does your authority over other peoples lives end? And just so you know, I know your authority to control ends at me, because I won't be governed Ungovernable. ;)
     
  9. punkmar77

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    Now your being confrontational and taking things to a personal level, so take this as a warning: stop trolling on this forum or get lost.
     
  10. bgrass

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    Probably is time to move on. When opposing authority on an anarchist form gets you labeled as a troll, I'm in the wrong place.
     
  11. punkmar77

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    If that's what you think you're doing by all means move on, and good luck. :ecouteurs:
     
  12. ungovernable

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    So that's what you are going to tell to someone who owns one of the following:

    nuclear bombs, anthrax, agent orange, tanks, war machine guns, rocket launchers, napalm, i will be allowed to spread OGM everywhere and start a new capitalist money to screw your anarchist society, and i will be allowed to, cos you don't have the authority to control me, and you don't have the authority to control my weapons.

    You don't even have the courage to answer the question. But we already all know the answer

    And yes you are a troll. Not because of your opinions but because of your attitude. Get the fuck out, thanks.

    Btw, self management by the people through direct democracy isn't governance. Ignorant.
     
  13. Anxiety69

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    there is no authority but yourself. if you don;t get that, you are in the wrong place.
     
  14. ungovernable

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    authoritarian bastards !! fake anarchists !! :lmao:
     
  15. butcher

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    I agree with u ungov, but a badly made point above.
     
  16. ungovernable

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    yeah well like i said on this topic i am definatly not against anarchists using weapons to defend themselves, but it must be done in order, not by giving a weapon to everyone and allowing them to get a gun like you buy bubblegum. Lets take the zapatists for example, they have guns but the ones who owns guns are part of the EZLN. Just like the peoples owning guns to defend others in the spanish revolution were part of the CNT or POUM, or just like the peoples owning guns in libertarian ukraine were part of the Makhnovtchina, etc...
     
  17. ungovernable

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  18. Bentheanarchist

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    I belive currently we have to use guns against the state for propaganda of the deed but when all government is overthrown I think we should destroy all guns.
     
  19. nike

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    propaganda of the deed works only with a mass basis of the people - sadly we are still a bit far from that today and there are lots of european and american examples how badly isolated avantgardists/elitists fail - revolutions can never be sparked by a minority.

    for the time "after" i think we should keep a certain level of armament under the control of people's militia and grassroots forces, no personal possession of firearms, but a rotation system and training for each able wo/man living in the community/collective/commune.
     
  20. Vilcha

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    i think that in post-revolution anarchist society guns shoul not be produced..... and remaining guns should be destroyed. but progressively through longer period of of time
     
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