Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead.

that's the problem with our Commie pinko fingers, they fuck with our rationality

 

May I recommend Robert Newman's "History Of Oil" for the uninformed...

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At first I thought I was dreaming that osama was dead; I never thought it would really actually happen.

 

and Patty Hearst didn't enjoy herself.

 

Win

 

"Osama" Goldstein was always a fake - and I'm still looking for the source of some german journalists report about mujahideen training camps with english-speaking advisors or the dope-for-guns-trade across the pakistan/afghan border using pakistani-army trucks for transport, I think he made it for the french/german ARTE tv-channel.

german radio is still running wild with official warnings about terrorist revenge - it's getting boooring, if you ask me.

 

Ummm... yeah, those photos have been out for years, and it wasn't as if the US ever said they were real. I suspect an internet shit-stirrer trying to get a chuckle out of the whole thing sent the photos in. Either that or a freelance journo of little ethical fibre sent them in and split with a cheque for his "exclusive".

Also, a small correction:

It was never "confirmed". And the paper that originated the story (I believe they were a French newspaper?) had pretty shaky sources, as was normally the case with Osama stories. Good way to shift papers, though.

There have been only seven video tapes of Osama which are certain to actually contain him, two of which were intentionally mistranslated by the US. There were two more videos but one of them is composed of old footage and new audio spliced together and the other is almost certainly just of a man who looks quite like Osama but may not be (he writes with his wrong hand in the video, with apparent ease; wears gold jewellery, which is Haram; and is considerably fatter, with shorter fingers). The rest of the releases are some dozen-or-so "confirmed" audiotapes, and several dozen others; but all of them could have been made by anybody at all.

 

The US is refusing to release photos of his corpse. Apparently, dumping his body in the sea wasn't sufficient fuel to the conspiracy nutters' fire. What's more, there story has changed - now he was unarmed and he didn't hide behind a woman. So now we have an inconsistent story as the only proof this went down.

I'd thought he'd been dead for years, between the rumours of kidney problems (good luck of getting a dialysis machine working in some shit-hole cave...) and gangrene. The effectiveness of his actions post-9/11 are practically nil. He may as well have been dead for years for all he's done. Really, this should have brought comfort to the families of 9/11 victims and nothing else. However, from the news reports I've seen, it's released a lot of American death-boners.

 

Like I said, a story in a couple papers doesn't convince me. Especially when the only source quoted is another newspaper. In France. Seriously, show me their sources, prove their reliable and then it's confirmed. Also, when the use of the words "reportedly" and "allegedly" is employed almost as a matter of course, the story can be utter horseshit and still make press.

 

plus the source listed here is prisonplanet...

 

First of all:

Get off your fecking high horse, my problem with the article being unsourced except for a sideways glance to a French newspaper is that France has had so little to do with Osama, and I'd rather take my unverified claims (although I still wouldn't believe them) from a reputable source (i.e. not a random journalist) that was close to the story (i.e. they made no indication in the story that the journalist had met with or spoken to anybody outside of France. Don't get touchy, I would have said the same thing about, for instance, Germany, Australia, Iceland, Greece, etc.

Everything else you've said is perfectly reasonable, and you should've said it in the first place instead of pointing me to an article I've already read that I choose not to believe due to a near-aggressive lack of credibility.

 

I don't believe the last story cos its from prisonplanet, not cos its French...

 

Oh, wow! I just looked at the rest of prison planet. And here I was assuming it was just a slightly crappy news blog. Yeah, that site does not inspire me with confidence about the credibility of its posts!

 

alex jones ftw..

 

As much as I think Alex Jones is a total tosser I am still not a big fan of people resorting to ad hominem attacks to address a point that is being made.

There are so many quotes that have overwhelming elements of truth to them but the people who were made famous for those quotes were evil bastards, ie Goering, Hitler, Goebbels or even Stalin (listed below):

"...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

'The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one."

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

“Whoever can conquer the street will one day conquer the state, for every form of power politics and any dictatorship-run state has its roots in the street.”

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

To attack a point by attacking the source it came from is a fallacy as far as any form of rational argument is concerned. What should be done is to analyse the claim based on the merits of the claim and not those who are saying it. That would be the logical approach. However I feel that people generally are too fucking stupid to get that idea around their thick heads, however I know both Butcher and Derek Danger and I am sure they can grasp a simple concept of not resorting to ad hominem fallacies.

 

Agreed, and besides this I still have to find out what's the importance of a death date in the great may-be/may-be not...