US Attacks Libya

And go against other countries as well?
Obviously other countries wouldn't support US Aiding Gaddhafi.
I think The easier/safer way for US to handle this would be to aid the rebels Bring their democracy to Libya and keep there oil.

 

I do actually think they care.
Right now Is not the most perfect time to Draw attention to themselves with the people of the world standing up for there rights.
I mean You said it yourself, this is no Iraq people are being being slaughter and just the fact that the whole world is reacting to this shows how big this is.
The people have already Turned on US The last thing they need is war with massive countries.

 

Sorry If Im getting my word mixed up right now.
Kind of hard to have a conversation at 2am I cant even spell correctly
So you're saying US would let the Libyan people have the oil?
Btw There news that obama is taking heat because he didn't have the right to release those plane, or some crap like that. you people have a computer. look it up.

 

Life is priceless, and it should be valued. What I meant by saying "Death is death it's all the same" is that we shouldn't fight wars. There is always an option, and that's why I'm against military support in Libya ( don't get me wrong, I support any help that's been given to oppresed). I know that it is right, and Gadaffi has to be stopped, but I'm more into human nature. I belive every man can be both good and evil. Evil comes evil goes, but the "good" part of us must be discovered. Same with the army supporting Gadaffi, when Gadaffi is killed and when there's no one left to pay them for anything, they will realize that they have lost thousands of people for nothing.
Is it so hard to agree that Gadaffi has to be removed from the thorne ? No. Is it so hard to help the poor people ? No. The air support is able to arive in Libya for lets say 1 & a half day.
The army started attacking them when the became more violent. When they realized it won't be easy, they just had to wait for the moment to come, and shoot Gadaffi. It's nonsense I know, but, I have a strange feeling that all wars can be avoid. Also "The problem is not as simple as you think.", well it is We have two sides Gadaffi & revolutioneres,US force, UN force..They fight. Revolutioneres fight for freedom and democracy, UN force fights for : better reputation, helping people, oil plants, correcting mistakes done in the past (Iraq), also there's a chance of terroist attacks to happen ( Gadaffi is well-know by ordering some terrorist attacks). Also, why do they help Libya and not other countries ?

You asked am I ready to pay the price ? No, indeed I'm not. I always thought we should have a very very precise and well-planned plan, and then make a move and start a revolution. That's just the way I am. I think that anomie is more possible to happen then anarchy.

I didn't say you are wrong, not at all. In fact, what you have to say and your arguments tell me that you are right, but I don't see my opinion wrong either.

 

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTwMkB1Vjo[/video]

 

"Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

even the term revolution means to go in a circle or ellipses around a point on an axis. humanity and revolution is a vicious circle...the only thing we can do is try our best to live outside that circle. revolution is a joke. anarchy does not equal revolution.

 

I've been thinking about this lately...what if there was enough nonprofit/ anarchist organizations/ alternatives to things besides either being in the private sector/ state ran, that enough people just started living fully that way. and made anything state ran and privately owned illegitimate and unnecessary? Communes I guess, but somehow on a mass scale.

 

The gov't would find a reason to deem it illegal, send in riot cops to disperse then portray the people as lawless rioting terrorists that need to be defended against.

 

The signs of the defeat of Libyan revolution - Statement by a Libyan anarchist

http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20110324162

 

...waits for it...

 

njm njm njm..What you say is true, I may be an idealist but that's not utopia. I'm not pacifist, but I'm anti-war as I already said. I think that war isn't necessary to make a change ( dictatorship to "democracy") becouse I think Gadaffi can be stopped, and forced to quit his power. But isn't US cooperating with UN now ? My opinion is that US IS trying to make a good impresion, and rise their reputation which they have lost in Iraq. For me, Gadaffi is person who can't be trusted. If is in war against Al-Quaida that doesn't mean he is not ready to do a terrorist act. He said that this war will be long and bloody. But Gadaffi threatened to destroy oil plants and to sell them to Russians or whomever. ( http://www.businessinsider.com/gaddafi- ... oil-2011-2 ; "Just in case you need a reminder of what happened 20 years ago this month…Scorched earth: US jets fly over the Kuwaiti oil wells torched by Saddam Hussein, 1991" if you are comparing Iraq with Libya, then you will get this )

Revolutions can't be peacful not becouse of us, but becouse of police. BRIBE THE POLICE ! For the peacful revolutions happened in past - Gandhi - but I'm pretty sure it's impossible for that to happen today, so I hate giving examples from history, becouse we live in a diffrent age now. Things are diffrent. Government is more democratic and that's why people hate when they are cheated, becouse they live in illusion and when they finally open their eyes they start a revolution. Our ex-president said that there were few more options left before entering in Libya, and that's what I meant. There are always some options before a bloody revolution. There will always be casulaties. I never pretended to be a revolutionnary, just becouse my view on that stuff is diffrent then yours, doesn't mean you can tell me whether I am or I'm not a revolutionnary

Edit : you have something against hippy ?

 

Just check my signature

 

Then we have a problem

 

Bring it on hippy