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Wikileaks

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by SurgeryXdisaster, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. Anxiety69

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    OMFG It's not my fault that sarcastic sense of humor doesn't translate to everyone, as that was clearly a joke to all but you, and I ws not trying to 'instigate' the op, i didnt even refer to him in that post, cheese ass chirst get your fucking facts straight before attacking me.

    Arguing here isn't going to make matters any better, the bottom line is you basically called me out for no reason, (at least no reason other then to try and 'put me in my place' or whatever, and then you make it sound like i think i'm god or something.


    Sheesh, All i want is to destroy all forms of government so we can all live in peace, is it too much to ask that we not argue over stupid things and actually try and accomplish something, even though the odds are against us so called internet activists? I am a smarmy fuck, get over it.
     
  2. DZA

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    I'm not sure what I think yet, but just throwing this one out there... don't think anyone else has said it yet... could it be that the Wikileaks staff were paid to quit in order to smear Assange and Wikileaks?
     
  3. vAsSiLy77

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    Under the possibility that already some intelligence/secret services are involved nearly everything is possible. Disinformation is an important tool to deal with "threats" like wikileaks and every other group in opposition to the state. Spreading rumors to undermine reputation and credibility - too bad that we can't be sure about nothing - but I still think we already have enough reason to abolish all authority and make an end to this mystery play.
     
  4. Pankucnik

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    We have plenty of reasons, but most of people are still too ignorant, so events like this are important. We can't make a revolution alone, right? Whether Assange had a deal with Israel or not is not as important as consequences that wikileaks had on people, and I think they are mostly positive. It brought shock to the sleeping masses, embarrassed many governments, and shown the impact that internet as uncontrolled media can have. And that's important. Arguing with just one person on entire forum about ethics of one man on the wikileaks team isn't.
     
  5. vAsSiLy77

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    agreed, and it was always only about the ASSUMED ethics of one man...
     
  6. vAsSiLy77

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    guardian.co.uk home 30.12.2010
    Wired journalists deny cover-up over WikiLeaks boss and accused US soldier
    Pair with access to transcript of comments by Bradley Manning deny they could help prosecution against Julian Assange

    Two journalists with access to a secret transcript of comments by Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of leaking confidential material to whistleblowing website WikiLeaks, have denied speculation that the material could potentially help a prosecution against Julian Assange.
    The pair, from Wired magazine, said there was nothing "newsworthy" in unpublished internet chat logs between Manning and Adrian Lamo, a former hacker who claims to have discussed the leak with the young intelligence officer and later tipped off the FBI.
    Wired.com claimed a scoop in June when it obtained a transcript of the chats and published excerpts in which Manning, 23, appeared to confess to being the source of classified material handed to WikiLeaks, which was founded by Assange.
    However, in recent days the journalists have found themselves at the centre of an increasingly acrimonious spat with critics who accuse them of withholding crucial information about the largest leak of military data in history.
    The dispute has centred on the 75% of the transcript Wired has not published, claiming the information would infringe Manning's privacy or compromise sensitive military information.
    Amid reports that federal prosecutors want to establish that Assange "encouraged or helped" Manning to leak the material in order to make him a co-conspirator, Wired has found itself under pressure to reveal more about the unpublished chats.
    Over the past month, Lamo has made fresh claims about the soldier's relationship with Assange.
    Suggesting that Assange was more than a passive recipient of the leaks, Lamo has claimed that WikiLeaks either provided Manning with a special FTP server to prioritise his leak or arranged a physical drop-off in the United States. But he admits his claims are based on memory, as the hard drive that contained his copy of the full chat transcript was taken by the FBI. Apart from US law officials, the Wired journalists are the only individuals known to have copies of the full chat.
    "The chats Wired has but is withholding – and about which they are refusing to comment – are newsworthy in the extreme," Glenn Greenwald, one of Wired's fiercest critics, wrote on Monday.
    The following day Evan Hansen, editor-in-chief of Wired.com, and Kevin Poulsen, the journalist who obtained the web chats, published a response to what they said were Greenwald's personal and unfounded attacks. Today both told the Guardian they had reviewed the unpublished transcripts in the last 24 hours. They concluded there was no discussion shedding new light on the relationship between Manning and Assange.
    "If I were a prosecutor, everything I would be looking at [in seeking to mount a case against Manning or Assange] would be in the published record," Hansen said. "We're trying to get the news out there that is relevant to the public. If there was something like that in the unpublished [chat logs] we would have made that public six months ago."
    Poulsen also said that there was nothing "newsworthy" in the parts of the transcript they had decided to hold back, adding that nothing "of substance" about Manning's relationship with Assange had been kept secret.
    "We have discussions in the newsroom, at every major turn in the Manning case, about whether it is now appropriate to publish the complete logs," he said. "And so far we have concluded it isn't."
    Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden, where he faces unrelated allegations – which he denies – of sexual misconduct with two women. Although there is no evidence of an imminent indictment from the US. Assange has said his greatest fear is extradition to the US, where he believes federal prosecutors are "trying to strike a plea deal" with Manning so that he can be charged as a co-conspirator.
    The material allegedly leaked by Manning is said to include more than 250,000 confidential diplomatic cables, redacted versions of which have been published by the Guardian and other media outlets over the last two months.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... an-assange
     
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    There was an article at one magazine from my country , unfortunately is only available in Portuguese. Anyways the magazine is pretty comercial , but it's always good to get the things talked and seen by the people.
     
  10. DisorderlyCitizen

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    i think that we cannot comprehend what truly goes on. if wikileaks is a "real threat" or not, i dont know. there are too many things that need to be considered, it's just way too complex. either way, i still dont trust any government. shit happens you know, i mean wether wikileaks is for real or not the upper class will still get away with crimes against humanity because humanity is too fucking lazy to do something about it.
     
  11. ungovernable

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    Assange's ex closest collaborator just released a book against him with a lot of infos, i wonder what thats going to reveal. It's the same person that launched OpenLeaks as an alternative to wikileaks
     
  12. vAsSiLy77

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    if its: "Inside Wikileaks" by Daniel Domscheit-Berg
    german writers Jens Ihlenfeld, Werner Pluta und Nico Ernst draw the following fazit:
    "chaos, lack of resources and a stressed friendship: reading "inside wikileaks" the reader starts to wonder about how wikileaks could remain successful for three years.
    as expectable, sources aren't uncovered, and the reader isn't informed about the flow of donationmoney too.
    despite Domscheit-Berg doesn't want his work to be seen as a try to settle accounts with Assange, the reader can't defend himself against the impression, that the book is a try to settle accounts with Assange.
    the professional distance to the described events is often missing."
    besides the extensive description of a feud the book explains in an interesting way the problems of a online project and the many misunderstandings resulting from the circumstances, if humans communicate by writing only across whole continents." (translation by me, i hope it isn't that bad...)
    http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/ ... +liebhaber - golem.de IT-news for profis

    a bit different on the aspects but still with the same critical view and in english too:
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 18,00.html
     
  13. ungovernable

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    Rep. Peter King introduces anti-WikiLeaks legislation

    Legislation aimed at helping the United States prosecute WikiLeaks and other sources of leaked information was introduced to the House of Representatives by Rep. Peter King (R-NY) Tuesday.

    "Julian Assange and his associates who have operated and supported WikiLeaks not only damaged US national security with their releases of classified documents, but also placed at risk countless lives, including those of our Nation’s intelligence sources around the world," Rep. King, the chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, said in a statement.

    "As international pressure has held back Assange, we now find that his colleagues are planning to spin off a new website called OpenLeaks, dedicated to the same dangerous conduct."

    The bill, known as the the SHIELD Act, would amend the Espionage Act to make publishing classified information "concerning the identity of a classified source or informant of an element of the intelligence community" an act of espionage.

    Sens. John Ensign (R-NV), Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Scott Brown (R-MA) introduced similar legislation in the Senate last week.

    "These organizations are a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States," Rep. King continued. "Julian Assange and his compatriots are enemies of the US and should be prosecuted under the Espionage Act. This legislation provides the Attorney General with additional authority to do just that."

    Rep. King sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder in November 2010, demanding that WikiLeaks be deemed a "foreign terrorist organization" and it's founder declared a terror ringleader.

    Applying the Espionage Act to third-party publishers of classified information would violate protected speech rights, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) warned in December 2010.

    "If the Espionage Act were to be applied to publishers, it would have the unconstitutional effect of infringing on the constitutionally protected speech rights of all Americans, and it would have a particularly negative effect on investigative journalism – a necessary and fundamental part of our democracy," the ACLU said in a statement (.pdf).

    "[W]e urge Congress to resist the urge to broaden the Espionage Act's already overbroad proscriptions and, instead, to narrow the Act’s focus to those responsible for leaking properly classified information to the detriment of our national security," the ACLU added. "Publishers who are not involved in the leaking of classified information should be praised by our society for their contributions to public discourse, not vilified as the co-conspirators of leakers with whom they have no criminal connection."
     
  14. BlackParad0x

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    wikileaks is the best realy god work Oh i forgot hes name but anyway god work
     
  15. punkmar77

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    Wikileaks: U.S. Forced Haiti To Nix Raising Its Minimum Wage To 62 Cents

    Posted on June 29, 2011

    An incredibly infuriating Wikileaks revelation, via the Nation. To sum up: desperately poor Haiti planned to raise its minimum wage from 24 cents per hour to 62 cents, angering the contractors for U.S. corporations such as Levis and Hanes, who pay slave wages to Haitians who sew our clothes. The Obama administration intervened on behalf of those companies, and bullied the Haitian government into setting the mark at 32 cents.

    To put things in perspective, upping the hourly wage to 62 cents would have cost Hanes an additional $1.6 million each year. Hanesbrands turned $211 million in profit last year and CEO Richard Noll personally was paid $10 million.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESE_vPi4ySw&feature=player_embedded[/video]
     
  16. Bentheanarchist

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    I have seen wikileaks. Has anyone else downloaded wikileaks from pirate bay.
    I really hope the FBI isn't watching this.
     
  17. nike

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    you can be sure that big brothers are watching - but it won't help them, because the files are already spread into all infinity and continue to spread even further - nobody can ever catch and destroy them all!

    and right now it's a good opportunity to mention the latest updates on Bradley Mannings fate on wikipedia and the Free-Brad-Mannings-site:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning
    http://www.bradleymanning.org/
     
  18. punkmar77

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    Wikileaks set to finally release more than 4000 cables from Israel today...
     
  19. SurgeryXdisaster

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    this is all I could find

    wlcentral.org/node/2178
     
  20. nike

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    israeli liberal Haaretz covers some of the stuff published last thursday:
    danieldornscheid-berg is a fucking piece of shit, too bad that many flies get attracted by this smelly heap of ambition :ecouteurs:
     
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