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Question about anarchism

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by ama-gi, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. butcher

    butcher Experienced Member Uploader Experienced member Forum Member


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    fuck... good to hear yr still with us!

    anywayz, the US has a pretty effective system of economic conscription in place for the military too...
     
  2. ama-gi

    ama-gi Active Member Forum Member


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    It's not economic conscription, you make jack shit in the military as a junior enlisted person (E-1 - E3) $1467.60 - $1950 a month. This is a 10-12 hour day 5-7 days a week with one 24 hour post thrown in, usually on your off day if your superiors dislike you. Keep in mind I make $1900 a month on unemployment for sitting on my ass playing world of warcraft and applying for jobs on craigslist.

    Oh you can't make E4 in your first enlistment (4years) unless you are shit hot and get a meritorious promotion or have a shitty job. BTW if you get a meritorious promotion in a technical field you tend to be the asshat that doesn't know his job but spends every off duty hour in the gym while the people with technical skills are pulling a double shift.
     
  3. ama-gi

    ama-gi Active Member Forum Member


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    Oh yea I'm still here, remember every time I say Marines I have to stand at attention in front of the flag on which I pasted a picture of GW Bush with a Hitler mustache and give it a good old sieg heil! I think its in the secret US/ILLUMINATI/NAZI handbook we swear our souls upon ; ) Just don't make me say Cheney or I'll have to replace my heart with his blacked dysfunctional one . . . OH GOD I SAID IT NOOOOOOoooooooooooo*GROCK*!
     
  4. butcher

    butcher Experienced Member Uploader Experienced member Forum Member


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    I never said it was good pay, but it is certainly one of the few job prospects for poor US folks..

    Who's the Illuminati? o_O
     
  5. snookams

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    maybe then it's about priorities....the human world really has none. we value rocks over food and each other (not all of us, but many people nonetheless).
     
  6. ama-gi

    ama-gi Active Member Forum Member


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    I assume the Illuminati would be an international organization of vampires that feeds of the life force of 18-26 year old poor people. They could also be a council of senior statesmen and top CEOs that control the world economy. This of course does not include Bill Clinton, he is busy buggering their wives/husbands while they are out "bowling" (cover for their super secret Illuminati meetings) If the latter is the case than they should be fired. I expect more from my unelected shadow government! Hell my 401K has tanked so bad I think I owe them money! *Thank you I'll be here all week*

    Well, .0074% of the US population is in the armed forces both active and reserve and the poor make up 17% of the population. You my friend have been a victim of hyperbole. By the latest reports 75% of US youth in the age range of Military service are not eligible. The disqualifying factors are health, weight, intelligence, not having the equivalent of a high school diploma, and not having proper legal status.

    If we break this down further, out of that .0074% only 36% have deployed. Out of those that deployed less than 10% have been in direct combat. From those .7% have been killed and 5% have been wounded.

    A poor person have a better chance of getting in a head on collision delivering a pizza than a service person has getting killed or maimed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    If you want a sickening and underreported statistic look at how many Iraqi refugees were forced into prostitution and sexual slavery. People look at flag draped coffins and ignore the real casualties of war.
     
  7. vAsSiLy77

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    some time ago we had contact with a number of people that went AWOL after serving in the middle east and been sent to germany for medical treatment. most of them told us that the "interesting secure job" and the later opportunities to complete an education at the expense of the army were their main motivation to sign up - Fun, Travel and Adventure - the AWOLs new translation: Fuck The Army...
    in germany it's pretty much the same, high unemployment especially in the eastern part, many opportunities to get a competent job training or even to study at an army university. most western germans don't give a shit about these promises and dodge the draft or refuse the armed service to do an alternative civil service - so it's not surprising that the special "eastern" dialect dominates the media interviews with german soldiers in afghanistan.
    i try never to generalize and i don't want to support any black/white concept of an enemy - but these guys are serving along with weirdos who frag children or shoot unarmed people just for fun too?
    the german army had it's scandals like soldiers playing and posing with bones and skulls they dug up from graves and used to decorate their vehicles - under the eyes of the afghan people. the worst was the "experienced and competent" german colonel in command, who paniced after unclear recon-reports and ordered an airstrike on 150 unarmed afghans stealing gasoline from two broken down tanker trucks.
    i don't see the necessity to defend my freedom at the hindukush or the truth in fighting the worldwide terror almost completely represented by former allies and benefactors of the same military and state policy that now declares them to be the arch rogues in the axis of evil.
    not me, i'm sure, but angel :a: - it's always her...
     
  8. butcher

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    where in my post did I mention casualty rates?

    only kinda pointed to this:
    and obviously not having the proper legal status disqualifying one from serving kinda goes without saying...
     
  9. ama-gi

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    Oh, by legal status I meant those on probation/parole or those that have committed crimes of moral turpitude. One of the greatest heroes for my generation of Marines is Sgt. Raphael Peralta. He was a former illegal alien that should have earned the Medal of Honor by pulling a grenade under his body saving his Marines after he was shot in the face but was cheated out of it because that fuckwad Bush didn't want to award our nation's highest honor to a former illegal alien.

    Those people who fragged kids should be, well, I'd say shot, but I guess they should spend the rest of their days in Leavenworth. Those people who went AWOL, what year was that? The military was horrendous when it came to treating PTSD in the early stages of the war. Actually, the guy that got me into hardcore punk and crust joined the Marines when I was still squatting and slamming meth. He was in the initial push towards Baghdad. They outran their supply lines so his squad had one MRE per day. They would cycle who got the drink, who got the main meal, who got the bread, and who got the desert. He was one of the first people into Baghdad. He crossed on a 2X10 thrown across a bombed out footbridge while under fire from small arms and machine guns. When he returned home he started drinking heavily and was busted with a DUI, later he beat an Arab man and his son in a park by his mom's house while drunk. As punishment they sent him back to Iraq for a 3rd time. He racked up some more alcohol related incidents and was kicked out of the Marines with a BCD, bad conduct discharge. He lost his benefits. He's working construction in Oregon now. It makes me sick to think about. It is an absolute travesty.

    It sounds like those who went AWOL were also abandoned. It is better now but that doesn't help the thousands of people who were screwed over while the military and the VA got their shit together.
     
  10. ama-gi

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    Some of the jobs are really awesome. After I was booted from the infantry for foot problems and subsequently booted from aircrew for the same problems I ended up as a 6492 Calibration tech. It was fucking awesome! We had to jury rig all this equipment that was built in the 1960s and 70s to make it work. I had a great time and learned enough to work for a Fortune 500 company for a few years.

    Oh, not an evil Fortune 500 btw. We had paid time off to do volunteer work and they had great benefits. The person that made the coffee in the break room was pulling in $20 an hour with full medical and dental as well as a stock plan. When I quit to focus on my degree they kicked in six months of free medical, full tuition and books, and two months pay. They also told me that they would not challenge any unemployment claim I made. Later on the CEO and all upper level managers took a voluntary 25% pay cut to avoid laying off people, so good in my book.
     
  11. vAsSiLy77

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    as far as i remember there were at least two who were in desertstorm, one of them mentioned leavenworth and a 2nd penalty tour too - i tried to get some more information about this prisons bad reputation, thats why i remember it. at least another three were in falludja 2006 and went off together after meeting each other in germany again. many of the other have been in afghanistan, special forces most, two mentioned Dasht Leili where 3000 from 8000 captured taliban "vanished", but i'm not sure that they were "there" when the mystery occured. others told us of their participation at search&destroy patrols or resettlement/evacuation missions very similiar to those practiced in vietnam.
    this group was still in underground nearly a year ago, some still suffering from PTSD and the late sequels of their combat injuries. but most of them worked with the anti-war organisations, fucking brave people - if arrested in germany they would be handed over instantly to the u.s. three years ago a television documentary about their experiences and the resulting consequences was suppressed by the german media and vanished from the web after it was released on a site.
    after meeting them i started researching the korean/vietnam war and the anti-war movement, switched a bit over to the balkan wars in the 90's in europe - PTSD and massacres whereever you look, it's just impossible to prevent the overkill from happening - at least as long people sign up and have to find out later for what they signed up.
     
  12. vAsSiLy77

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    much too promising to miss!
    UNITED STATES ARMY COMBINED ARMS CENTER - Fort Leavenworth, Kansas
    The United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas is the only maximum security correctional facility in the Department of Defense. It is the oldest penal institution in continuous operation in the Federal system. Operations started in May 1875 at the United States Military Prison (later renamed USDB) and continues to this date.

    A new state-of-the-art, 515-bed, USDB became operational in September 2002 replacing the old stone wall and brick castle. The USDB staff includes both civilian and service members of the Military Police Corps, Adjutant General Corps, Medical Corps, Medical Service Corps, Corps of Engineers, Chaplain Corps, Judge Advocate General Corps, the United States Marine Corps, the United States Air Force, and the United States Navy, working to achieve a progressive correctional community.

    The USDB mission is to incarcerate U.S. military prisoners sentenced to long terms of confinement. Conduct correctional and treatment programs to maintain good order and discipline and reduce recidivism upon release; and, on order, provide trained and ready Soldiers to conduct world-wide deployments in support of contingency operations.

    The USDB motto, "Our Mission, Your Future", symbolizes the "Can Do" attitude; the spirit of teamwork; and the philosophy of the USDB. The entire custodial staff provides individual treatment to inmates to prepare them for a self-reliant, trustworthy and respectable future. The USDB reflects on the past only to build for the future, emphasizing behavior, education, vocational skills and a chance to choose. The staff balances their critical duty to incarcerate, ensure good order and discipline, and to maintain a safe environment, with providing an opportunity for rehabilitation, hope, and a new start.

    Correctional and treatment programs consist of individual and group counseling for self-growth and crime specific, education classes, and vocational training. Vocational training certificates are offered in barbering, carpentry, embroidery, engraving, graphic arts, laundry/dry cleaning, printing, sheet metal, and welding.

    The USDB has continuously been accredited from the American Correctional Association (ACA) since 1988. The accreditation is a tool to measure compliance with nationally recognized standards for an adult correctional institution. The accreditation is valid for a three year period. To receive accreditation the USDB must meet or exceed more than 500 standards covering administration and management, training, physical plant, institutional operations, institutional services, and inmate programs.

    http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/usdb/index.asp
     
  13. ungovernable

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    Army are supposed to obey to government elected by the people. If the same thing that happenned during the anarchist spanish revolution happens again, then the government will be destroyed by the majority of the people and a temporar "government of the people" will be elected just to prove that the old government was defeated democratically and that a majority of the people want to see it abolished. Starting from this point, the army is supposed to obey to the people.... Of course, a part of the army will continue to obey to the old government (that also happenned in spain)... But anyway, if the people are enough to defeat a whole government, then they are enough to form militias and fight against the counter-revolution

    And for the USA, as far as i know it has a conscription, with a lot of blah-blah saying that a revolution is a right if the government is a tyranny and the marines pledge on conscription and they are supposed to obey to it.... But of course, america tends to be a lot anti-communist and anti everything that is too far from the left, so i'm pretty sure a lot of reactionnary soldiers will think it is a duty to resist against the revolution... Thanks to the heritage of cold war anti-communist propaganda brainwashing.

    Oh and please, fuck off with the illuminatis bullshit :)
     
  14. Altruikus

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    I totally agree. Having been in a gang I realized that gangs are the emulation of capitalism - produced by the socio-economic inequalities of capitalism. A culture is learned - it is learned from society. The gang culture is nothing but a result of capitalism putting people in extreme poverty and oppression. They would be even worse in a police state.
     
  15. Random Person From There

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    "As an anarchist, I am opposed to violence. But if the people want to do away with assassins, they must do away with the conditions which produce murderers." - Emma Goldman
     
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