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Death Penalty

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by sludgefuck, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Jameson

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    Them murdering in your society is them imposing their will on other people.
    Banishing them keeps from harming them but gives them the freedom to go do what they please just not within the group of people who don't want them there.

    I hope I worded that right..
     
  2. punkmar77

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    If that were true we wouldn't have Australia as it is today, (Australian forum members please feel free to chime in) I personally have been locked up in prison with murderers all around me, and guess what? They are regular people like you and me (for the most part) that just made the ultimate mistake. Again personally I have skeletons in my own closet when it comes to bad decisions and violence and ultimately accept it as only chance that people have not died that by all means should have been dead. So I can kind of view this dilemma with a little subjectivity. My personal beliefs in Anarchism tend to a strong identification to Anarcho-Syndicalism/Communism however I do not entirely agree with everything in that tradition and see much room for innovation and improvement in that school, this being a major issue.
     
  3. Jameson

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    It was mostly just a joke, but I said that since he seemed to be talking about the worst of the worst, the "nonreformable", the psychos, the nutters, the fuckwits, whatever you want to call them. There are plenty of people who have ended up in jail for horrible things they they soon regret, but many of them only regret the fact that they got caught. Now I'm not saying all of them should be shot off to the moon, there's plenty of them who just made bad decisions, but there are some people who are just too fucked to live in society, so I think the best solution would be to let them go be a crazy ass away from the general population, so they don't cause harm to anybody else which could also end up in them being harmed themselves. They'd have the freedom to do whatever they please among the other crazies.
     
  4. persona-non-grata

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    so what you're saying is do not punish them just because it's possible they made the wrong decision? of course not punish them in the same way society punishes people now but I do think there must be some sort of punishment for murderers and rapists although I don't really know anything but banishment
    :ecouteurs:
     
  5. Bones Booking

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    So how about that Anarcho Punk Fest ey? :thumbsup:
     
  6. punkmar77

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    What?
     
  7. dwtcos

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    it's the job of the community, not the government to deal with scum to deal with scum accordingly.
     
  8. SurgeryXdisaster

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    Murderers should have their hand(s) chopped off
    Rapists should have their genitalia mutilated/Eyes gouged out
    and so on...
     
  9. persona-non-grata

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    how about the old roman punishment for rape?
    balls on a pole take big rock (or hamer or whatever heavy and hard) smash testicles!!!!! :thumbsup:
    :ecouteurs:
     
  10. Jameson

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    There's always the soilent green option..
    We'd be killing 2 birds with 1 stone, we'd solve the hunger issue and all the psychos would be gone.
     
  11. persona-non-grata

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    omnomnomnomnom :ecouteurs:
     
  12. Anxiety69

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    Funny, anyone else see the irony of stating that we shouldn't have the death penalty, but we should mutilate criminals?
     
  13. persona-non-grata

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    come we're just kidding around (at least I am) plus you know you love it ;) we are getting a bit off topic though so in all seriousness what IS a good "punishment" for murderers, rapists, nazi's etc.?
    :ecouteurs:
     
  14. ungovernable

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    Yeah, so what's wrong about imposing the will of the majority of the people ?
    Anarchism is all sbout imposing the will of the majority... What the fuck do you think that collective decisions are for ? The people, together, will decide how the want to build their society, and of course things will always have to be imposed - or else there will be no order, only chaos... What is important is that this imposition comes from the majority of the people....

    How the fuck do you want to deal with rapists and murderers ? You think we shouldn't impose that we don't want murders in our society because it would be "imposing your will upon another person's life" ??

    Usually, i hear that comming from far rights activists..
     
  15. ama-gi

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    I don't agree with killing people except in self defense, the defense of others, or the defense of vital personal property. However, I think that there is a point where someone stops being a person and starts to be a predator/monster. If someone stabs me in the back for my possessions instead of asking for my help/charity, then how can anyone else trust them? If someone rapes a child(def as under 12 years old as an extreme example) then how can they continue to exist in society? In our current system we can lock them up and sometimes eventually execute them.

    In an anarchist society there is the choice of banishing them and letting them continue their behavior on the next group that lets them in or putting a bullet in the back of their heads.

    Oh, before you think that you'll warn people 0v3r t3h 1n73rN37! look up what it takes to keep up our power grid and our comm systems running. I can guarantee that you'll have to rely on local generation for power and HAM radio for comm; if you are lucky to have an electronics wiz in your commune. Most likely you'll be working with candles and smoke signals.
     
  16. ungovernable

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    Oh wow that's so great...
    Hey wait, America is one of the rare country that still have death penalty.... so what ? does it makes it a better place to live ???
    I could list dozens of examples of innocent people sentenced to death penalty, and some are still waiting in the death row, i think about Mumia Abu Jamal and others...

    hahahaha man i think you just don't understand what anarchism is all about, we are not primitivists... I think you watch too much hollywood movie, let me guess, you get your idea of anarchism from "the book of eli" ??

    Yes, anarchism would work between small communes... But guess what, anarchists have the solution to the problem of comunes being isolated and alone... it's called ANARCHO-FEDERALISM or in other world, federate all the communes so they can work together and collectivise their energy generation, share their ressources, etc... All communes would be individual, but work together as a whole
     
  17. Caps

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    I think the Anarchist FAQ has quite a good section on these sorts of questions. I haven't read it for a good couple of years but I'm pretty sure it covers the classic concerns of murderers in an anarchist society. With regards to the death penalty, in its conventional definition it is state sanctioned killing. Therefore, anarchists are almost always going to be opposed. I'm pretty sure it's Jello who argues against the death penalty with these two points: 1) what if it's wrong? 2) what if it's me?
     
  18. NumberLast

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    I oppose state sanctioned death I believe however, that there are some people who need to die. If you would oppose the euthanization of baby rapists and mass murderers I would like to hear your logic. I don't believe in strict morality, ergo good or evil but, some people should not be allowed to hurt people anymore. Thoughts?
     
  19. sludgefuck

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    exactly, so if it is the will of the people to kill someone who just isn't going to cut it, where's the beef?
     
  20. punkmar77

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    The beef is that "the will of the people" is supposedly what democracy is and that isn't working is it?
     
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