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Whats your take on toys for tots?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JoeyV, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. Anxiety69

    Anxiety69 Experienced Member Uploader Experienced member Forum Member


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    there are other organisations that do toy drives and are not military or patriotic bs. Donate to those instead.
     
  2. snookams

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    ....see this is my point...why does this have to turn into infighting? prove to me how i'm being daft instead of just calling me so. i really would like to see the harm in toys for tots. please tell me how they further our problems and the problems of the world
     
  3. punkmar77

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    No there is no harm in the United States Marines using it as a marketing tool for the Death Machine to ingest a steady flow of Human Corpses, No harm in indoctrinating the poorest segments of society to the wonderful humanitarianism of a War apparatus, No harm in directly involving stores like Wal-Mart and Target in their campaign and crushing local merchants, no harm at all, in fact I suggest you support toys for tots wholeheartedly snookams, maybe you can fly your anarcho-pacifist flag at the next Marine toy drive out in front of Wal Mart.... :|
     
  4. snookams

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    i can see you just want to argue and piss fight instead of inform....i'm sorry it has to be that way. and i agree, it shouldn't be used as a propaganda machine....do you honestly think i support those things you mentioned?

    i support charity in as many forms as possible. and i never matched up something like toys for tots as a death machine....i realize it's military operated, but i saw it as handing out toys, not draft cards. i don't think the military has a better chance of getting people to join through charity drives, people join for reasons such as fiscal security or physical prowess and not so much charity..... and as far as actually buying toys from target and walmart, that's the choice of the buyer...they could go to a small business if they wanted.

    again, you could have just informed instead of trying to insight a visceral reaction. as far as my beliefs of pacifism, that is what i believe...but if your goal is to piss me off and disrespect my beliefs, then so be it. but you aren't getting anything accomplished in doing so.
     
  5. punkmar77

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    Nobody wants to pissfight, but the apathy which you demonstrate by not delving deeper yourself is quite frustrating. The contradiction of you being a pacifist but not seeing anything wrong with the Marines ingratiating themselves to lower class and minority children is beyond frustrating specially when I understand that you consider yourself an anarchist. Nevermind DIY, nevermind religious indoctrination through Christmas, nevermind consumerism...it's all good snookams.
     
  6. snookams

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    i never said i agreed with the military brainwashing the uneducated or misforunate via toys for tots, or agreed with any sort of military action at all...that's where i think you're wrong. i'm simply trying to inform myself and see how the military is wrong in starting something like toys for tots. i was trying to get different persepectives, so i don't understand how that's apathetic. i don't think it's apathetic that i'm on this site trying to gain a sense of community and trust and persepective (and actually meet people outside a virtual realm) so i can make a difference in the world around me..... i find it frustrating myself that you think i'm a fucking idiot just because i'm questioning something. you don't think i haven't delved deep into many things, including this? how fucking presumptuous of you. you don't know me, so don't fucking condescend to me.
     
  7. Corporate Deathburger

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    Snookams: Why do you think that they even do a Toys For Tots drive? It's a simple question. As is why any large government run/money hungry corporation would even do this. Do you really think the head honchos of these horrible fiscal companies care about these children? No. If they really cared about other people, then why would there be Marines in the first place? It's general propoganda. Pure brainwash.

    I believe Gobbledigooks put it pretty well.
     
  8. snookams

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    yeah i see that deathburger, i was just trying to get some points of views going. the fact i even mentioned a different opinion has sparked discussion so we can really see why it's bad instead of just saying "fuck it, it's bad"..however, as always, discussion has turned to anger

    military support is deep rooted and goes beyond toys for tots....toys for tots is just a sprinkle on the military industrial complex cake.

    i just get pissed when my intelligence is insulted...i know i'm dumb, but i'm not that dumb.
     
  9. punkmar77

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    Classic :lmao:
     
  10. snookams

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    classic? i thought it was pretty original.
     
  11. JoeyV

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    so we decided not to play the gig.....
    the promoter of the gig cussed me out, and is now "against" our band :ecouteurs:
    :lmao:
     
  12. butcher

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    oh noes! You've pissed off the marines now! :o lol
     
  13. punkmar77

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    Good for you Joey, I know it doesn't seem like it now, but good things will come of your decision.
     
  14. seitan

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    ha ha fuckin brilliant! youre saying the whole reason for toys for tots is so that they can indoctrinate the kids?
    conspiracy theory ha ha
     
  15. seitan

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    im sure there are marines who have kids. they may well feel for kids who are deprived. just because someone is in the armed forces, it doesnt mean they dont care about anything.
     
  16. punkmar77

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    Don't put words in my mouth asshole, I never said that's the only reason, and fuck off with that conspiracy theory bullshit.

    So fucking what? Lets support our armed forces now, because after all, they are people like you and me..... :lmao:
     
  17. vAsSiLy77

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    wake up, seitan - someone who is in the armed forces doesn't care enough, not enough for him-/ herself, not enough for his family, people and humanity in general - it isn't just a "job" to be a soldier. Just in case you missed some important information about the real world:
    http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

    Fucking brilliant how brainwashed you are - somebody pushes a button and seitan gets :ecouteurs: It's getting a bit boring, isn't it?
     
  18. Corporate Deathburger

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    Exactly.
    And Gobbledigooks, I wasn't trying to sound angry, I 'm truly sorry If I came off that way.
     
  19. seitan

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    so fuckin what?? you want people in the armed forces to be bastards all the time? youre pretty fucked in the head if thats what you want to see, and pretty dumb if you do think theyre all like that.
    im not for one minute suggesting anybody support any armed forces, theres nothing better than hearing of a dead squaddie. what i am saying, is just because a squaddie shoots up people, it doesnt mean they dont care about kids (in their homeland).
    but cool, if you want squaddies to live up to your visions of them, by killing in war, and not giving a fuck about kids in their own "country", then you carry on.
     
  20. seitan

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    ok, appears youre not getting it either. you really think a squaddie doesnt care about any life? you are deluded.


    brainwashed? go on, explain what you mean.
     
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